View Poll Results: My plans for dealing with the 2016 AAdvantage changes:
I'm actually benefitting from this - good deal for me.
46
6.80%
I'm neutral - I gain some, lose some. I'll stay.
132
19.53%
I'm not happy, but stuck with AA / oneworld at this point.
176
26.04%
I'm unhappy & will use AA & other airlines opportunistically.
274
40.53%
I'm outta here! Bye, American.
48
7.10%
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AAdvantage Changes for 2016 - DISCUSSION, REACTION & POLL
#1127
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 44,571
If the person starts making decisions based on value, that is a sensible action imo by the passenger. Of course, if spreading the expenditure around, then the earnings may reduce - if continuing to use AA some of the time but only enough for Platinum status, the the earnings will reduce by 36%. and increase the requirements for getting the same free flight by 59%
#1128
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Usually in SAN or Central Europe.
Programs: AA:EXP/1MM. Accor/Radisson:Silver; HH:Gold; ICH:Plt Amb.
Posts: 22,307
People need to determine for themselves what their main objective is when flying. Aside from getting from point A to point B. The era of having it all, but not willing to pay for it, is long gone.
#1129
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: MCO
Programs: AA, B6, DL, EK, EY, QR, SQ, UA, Amex Plat, Marriott Tit, HHonors Gold
Posts: 12,809
If someone is becoming "unchained" from the FFer trap, and is shopping based solely on price, then such an action definitely benefits the passenger. If said passenger is shopping around on price and is still looking to snag a free F award to Asia, I don't see this working. In fact, it would seem much harder to achieve any type of free award this way, than by only sticking with one FFer program.
People need to determine for themselves what their main objective is when flying. Aside from getting from point A to point B. The era of having it all, but not willing to pay for it, is long gone.
People need to determine for themselves what their main objective is when flying. Aside from getting from point A to point B. The era of having it all, but not willing to pay for it, is long gone.
#1130
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, SC
Programs: AA Plat, SPG/Marriot Gold, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Expl
Posts: 2,363
If someone is becoming "unchained" from the FFer trap, and is shopping based solely on price, then such an action definitely benefits the passenger. If said passenger is shopping around on price and is still looking to snag a free F award to Asia, I don't see this working. In fact, it would seem much harder to achieve any type of free award this way, than by only sticking with one FFer program.
People need to determine for themselves what their main objective is when flying. Aside from getting from point A to point B. The era of having it all, but not willing to pay for it, is long gone.
People need to determine for themselves what their main objective is when flying. Aside from getting from point A to point B. The era of having it all, but not willing to pay for it, is long gone.
#1131
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 5,270
That makes no sense to me. The most price-sensitive customers, by definition, are not loyal; they choose whomever offers the cheapest fare. The most price-insensitive customers likely care more about direct flights and amenities. Frequent flyer programs have tended to aim somewhere in between, and they still do -- they've just shifted up a bit what they define as "in between."
#1132
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: DEN
Programs: AA EXP, AA Million Miles, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,584
The point that Gary Leff has been making, and I agree with, is that the airlines are slowly killing the golden goose of FFPs by turning them into rebate programs based solely on revenue. They're rewarding most the most price insensitive customers (i.e., those paying most $$), and rewarding least those most price sensitive, which is the exact opposite of what FFPs are designed to do. FFPs, by offering aspirational awards, have turned something that is a commodity, a seat on a plane, into something people feel brand-loyal to. They're undoing this process now and killing any sense of loyalty people have towards them. It may work for now, but it is their undoing in the long run. The FFPs have for a long time been the most profitable line of business within the airlines, and there's a reason for it.
The vast majority of my flying is for work. I'm taking those trips regardless of if I earn rewards tickets for later trips. I'm far more interested in the elite benefits part of the program than I am in the RDMs. I bet there's a significant number of people that have a similar perspective. The change to the revenue based RDM system isn't going to change my purchasing behavior one iota.
And the profit center in FFP's is increasingly shifting towards Credit Card deals...
#1133
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: DTW/MBS
Programs: UA 1K, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Formerly Starbucks Gold
Posts: 3,525
That makes no sense to me. The most price-sensitive customers, by definition, are not loyal; they choose whomever offers the cheapest fare. The most price-insensitive customers likely care more about direct flights and amenities. Frequent flyer programs have tended to aim somewhere in between, and they still do -- they've just shifted up a bit what they define as "in between."
I am one on here that is trying to accumulate as much RDMs as I can before it goes to cost based. Since 98% of my flights are my own money, I have to go with the cheapest options whenever I can.
#1134
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 5,270
But some customers with price flexibility will indeed choose based on loyalty programs. Again, these folks fall in between the posited extremes, and are targeted by both the previous and current loyalty programs.
#1135
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,596
Interesting discussion. I've come to embrace the changes but probably not for the reasons AA contemplated. With the changes, I easily re-qualified for EXP earlier this year, mostly on cheap fares. So there is absolutely no reason for me to fly AA for the rest of this year, especially since UA matched me to 1K. Without having to worry about status re-qualification, it's quite liberating to buy based on the best combination of convenience, price and service. Most of the time these days, it's not AA.
#1136
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: DTW/MBS
Programs: UA 1K, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Formerly Starbucks Gold
Posts: 3,525
Interesting discussion. I've come to embrace the changes but probably not for the reasons AA contemplated. With the changes, I easily re-qualified for EXP earlier this year, mostly on cheap fares. So there is absolutely no reason for me to fly AA for the rest of this year, especially since UA matched me to 1K. Without having to worry about status re-qualification, it's quite liberating to buy based on the best combination of convenience, price and service. Most of the time these days, it's not AA.
#1137
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,596
Even with a free upgrade, there is no way I would fly some AA planes and routes, like the A321 to Hawaii. Why pay $392 for Y on AA's LAX-HNL A321 even with a reasonable chance of an upgrade, when for $235 more I was able to book a 1-2-1 configuration lie flat 763 seat on DL.
#1138
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: DCA
Programs: AA EXP; BoNVoY Tit LTP
Posts: 1,922
I recently heard an AA presentation and improved RM was used in the context of pricing and marketing the new basic economy seats on routes that Spirit was flying.
#1140
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