Originally Posted by FlyingLaw
(Post 25760737)
IMO this sums it up pretty nicely. I have to think that many of the folks who make EXP flying on Paid J and F fare's probably don't care much about SWU's anyway.. Though I could be wrong.
Qualifying for EXP by only flying 33,334 miles... I can't even imagine! So people that don't care for these perks as they can easily afford them are the ones AA is rewarding and people who were running the extra few thousand miles to qualify for a status, is the one AA is making it hard for them to qualify. |
Originally Posted by jediwho
(Post 25785517)
Most of them don't. Spoke to a friend of mine who has spent $80K in airfare in the first 10 months of this year -- flying business/first and he does not care much for status, SWUS, etc. Have spoken to half a dozen people who spend well over $20K a year -- the category that would benefit from the program chances and none of them really care about SWUs, RDMs, as much as the FT community.
So people that don't care for these perks as they can easily afford them are the ones AA is rewarding and people who were running the extra few thousand miles to qualify for a status, is the one AA is making it hard for them to qualify. But anyway, regardless, I believe AA just tries to save money by giving out less RDMs in total. They don't really care who gets them, they just needed a plausible excuse and scheme to just reduce their total RDM liability. |
Originally Posted by nk15
(Post 25785538)
I think to some extent it is a misconception that rich people don't care about free stuff (miles, SWUS, etc.) or money, they do, probably more than the average person. I also vaguely recall a surprising survey that most rich people actually fly economy, to save money, or something to that effect.
More likely they work 365 days a year. Giving out more RDMs to OPM flyers is a brilliant strategy twofold. a) It encourages higher spending, and thus revenue to AA, since its OPM, why not wait another day to book that ticket to see a client, or why not pick the more expensive 9am flight instead of the cheaper 11am flight? b) OPM flyers most likely fly for work, when/if they get time off - they are less likely to want to get on a plane, or to redeem their points on elaborate long haul F cabin routings/trips. More likely to redeem their points on merchandise/etc than the average flyer who likes to "maxmize" value. Easy come, easy go mentality. And as for handing out less RDMs in total - arent flying RDMs just a drop in the bucket that is credit card mileage? |
Originally Posted by jediwho
(Post 25785517)
people who were running the extra few thousand miles to qualify for a status, is the one AA is making it hard for them to qualify.
May be a new approach for earning status that is AA is adapting: if you want status you have to earn it dearly! |
Originally Posted by Tango
(Post 25784169)
Have you tried booking an award yet? I just looked for an award flight for a family member for next June. AA wants 65k to 110k for a one way coach seat--and this is looking at 5 different days. What a joke.
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 25782864)
I disagree. someone purchasing international business/1st fares and booking on AA is likely to be ahead especially if holding top tier status
prior to current promotion , EQP earning was 1.5 - now will be EQM 2.0 or 3.0. So between 33,334 and 50,000 miles rather than 66,668 miles to attain top tier status ... |
Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
(Post 25785901)
It seems that AA is aiming at cutting down the number of members who earn EXP and PLT status cheaply doing MR during weekends in Y class at $ 200.
May be a new approach for earning status that is AA is adapting: if you want status you have to earn it dearly! |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 25784182)
If you are paying $3500, then you may not be coming out ahead. Numbers I gave are real numbers and I have had fares of $4k-$7k
ORD-HKG Jan 10 - Jan 17 - from AA.com $6552 ( $6430 base fare ) How is that not real? I am not suggesting that you personally will be better off, but those that are paying the higher fares will If you only fly only on full J and F class tickets, loyalty programs do nothing to promote loyality. What matters the most are flight schedules and departure/arrival times. |
Originally Posted by Tango
(Post 25786850)
People who pay the airfares that you list here get little to no additional benefit with FF benefits. J and F class passengers are given all of the benefits EP are given. The only difference would be number of miles earned but redemption award increases are going way up(good luck finding the saver awards).
If you only fly only on full J and F class tickets, loyalty programs do nothing to promote loyality. What matters the most are flight schedules and departure/arrival times. |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 25784182)
If you are paying $3500, then you may not be coming out ahead. Numbers I gave are real numbers and I have had fares of $4k-$7k
ORD-HKG Jan 10 - Jan 17 - from AA.com $6552 ( $6430 base fare ) How is that not real? I am not suggesting that you personally will be better off, but those that are paying the higher fares will
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 25786874)
A business class traveller on a more expensive business class ticket gets the same benefits of status as someone on a cheap one; e.g. as a OWE member gets the additional baggage allowance , 1st class check in, 1st class lounge access
Etihad, which can be credited as AA, is $4,485 on your exact dates. This comes back to the same thing... you are paying AA a lot more for the privilege of flying AA. How can that be worth an extra $3000?!?! That is double the going rate for business. Even Cathay is $1000 less, on your exact dates! Hey, if your employer lets you pay the premium, then no problem. But, how long until they question $6500 vs $3400-$4400? |
Originally Posted by 110pgl
(Post 25787036)
To be fare here (see what I did there ;) ), Jan 10 - Jan 16 (Sat vs. Sun) is $3401.
Etihad, which can be credited as AA, is $4,485 on your exact dates. This comes back to the same thing... you are paying AA a lot more for the privilege of flying AA. How can that be worth an extra $3000?!?! That is double the going rate for business. Even Cathay is $1000 less, on your exact dates! Hey, if your employer lets you pay the premium, then no problem. But, how long until they question $6500 vs $3400-$4400? People assumedly do purchase tickets on AA - if AA was unable to sell tickets at the prices it charges, it would lower them I would suggest. Someone purchasing a ticket for travel on AA will be paying the price that AA charges. e.g. For someone who is required to fly on a US carrier , the EY price is irrelevent Would I personally choose to fly on AA where decent airlines exist - no - if the journey time was not impacted greatly. Would I be inclined to fly ORD-AUH-HKG ( 11014 miles ) vs ORD-HKG (7794 miles ) - if it is within corporate policy to take the expensive non-stop , yes I definitely would ; travelling 41% further is not something I would choose to do on a business trip |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 25787345)
I am not discounting that other airlines may be cheaper - the AA price was the same 16th and 17th - I just mentioned 17th to avoid a "there may be cheaper fares staying a week" argument
People assumedly do purchase tickets on AA - if AA was unable to sell tickets at the prices it charges, it would lower them I would suggest. Someone purchasing a ticket for travel on AA will be paying the price that AA charges. e.g. For someone who is required to fly on a US carrier , the EY price is irrelevent Would I personally choose to fly on AA where decent airlines exist - no - if the journey time was not impacted greatly. Would I be inclined to fly ORD-AUH-HKG ( 11014 miles ) vs ORD-HKG (7794 miles ) - if it is within corporate policy to take the expensive non-stop , yes I definitely would ; travelling 41% further is not something I would choose to do on a business trip As for the distance, it comes down to preference and landing time... I prefer to land in the am and have the day to acclimate, thus, via Europe/Middle East works for me. And the extra miles are a bonus. |
Originally Posted by jediwho
(Post 25785517)
Most of them don't. Spoke to a friend of mine who has spent $80K in airfare in the first 10 months of this year -- flying business/first and he does not care much for status, SWUS, etc. Have spoken to half a dozen people who spend well over $20K a year -- the category that would benefit from the program chances and none of them really care about SWUs, RDMs, as much as the FT community.
So people that don't care for these perks as they can easily afford them are the ones AA is rewarding and people who were running the extra few thousand miles to qualify for a status, is the one AA is making it hard for them to qualify. |
So people here are accusing AA that is just copying DL and UA by using the same RDM system, etc. The sinister explanation is that they are not just innocently copying each other, but rather that their new revenue-based reward programs were "fixed" in some kind of secret agreement a long time ago. Which makes you wonder how far is "price fixing", for which US airlines have also been accused in the past, and how closely they should be monitored by consumer protection authorities.
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Originally Posted by nk15
(Post 25788432)
So people here are accusing AA that is just copying DL and UA by using the same RDM system, etc. The sinister explanation is that they are not just innocently copying each other, but rather that their new revenue-based reward programs were "fixed" in some kind of secret agreement a long time ago. Which makes you wonder how far is "price fixing", for which US airlines have also been accused in the past, and how closely they should be monitored by consumer protection authorities.
As for price matching, 100% they all do it. But again, no need to collude to make it happen. The internet makes everything happen at lightening speed. A simple app tracks all prices real time. |
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