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Currently (24 Sep 2017): airberlin has filed for insolvency, and announced they will wind down all operations by 28 October 2017. As of 15 Oct 2017 discontinued all long haul operations. Link to Forbes Magazine article.
Previously:
NOTE: change may be in the air.
Previously:
NOTE: change may be in the air.
http://aviationweek.com/awincommerci...ses-us-partner
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
AB / airberlin "Air Berlin" award issues (by 28 Oct 2017 winds down ops)
#76
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I think perhaps the bigger problem with AB not being available is when one needs to fly between cities on the continent and going through LHR, MAD, or HEL (which are on the "edges") would add a lot of extra time.
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#77
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OK, but I also stand by my strong belief that most people who are flying to TXL, using AA miles and not using AB are not going to be flying the 1 DfW-FRA flight, or the 1 JFK-ZRH flight, or the 1 PHL-MUC flight, or the 1 PHL-FCO flight (2 in the summer when there is a CLT-FCO flight) but rather the over twenty flights a day to London on AA/BA or the more than handful of flights to MAD on AA/IB. Of course AB connects TXL to more cities, but in terms of the largest OW gateways, there are other choices such that the loss of AB award space is not detrimental to those who wish to connect in my opinion.
I think perhaps the bigger problem with AB not being available is when one needs to fly between cities on the continent and going through LHR, MAD, or HEL (which are on the "edges") would add a lot of extra time.
I think perhaps the bigger problem with AB not being available is when one needs to fly between cities on the continent and going through LHR, MAD, or HEL (which are on the "edges") would add a lot of extra time.
But let's get back to the topic of this thread:
There is obviously something weird going on in that neither BA nor AA have any access to AB award seats. If you have no interest in flying AB, ok bye. If you have info as to what's going on, please share.
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#78
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And the 4-across J product is really that sub-par compared to un-retrofitted AA aircraft, BA CW on old 747s, and the ancient 6-wide on the 340s that IB loves to pull out of the hangar without warning?
#79
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For me, AB is perfectly fine, but I am short and skinny. For someone tall, though, I can see how AB would be very uncomfortable, even more so than the subpar products on other OW carriers.
#80
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Yeah, for sure - I'm 6'2" and I've mentioned that I like it for westbound but wouldn't like it as much if I wanted to sleep. However I don't sleep on planes period so it doesn't come into play too much for me. Big sleepers might want to look elsewhere - though as has been mentioned in this thread, the options are still limited. Now if EY/QR/CX started tagging on an ORD-TXL or something then there would be no discussion.
#81
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How to Search for airberlin Awards on AA miles
Hi,
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere...
Can you look for AB awards on the AA site?
If you can, I can't see them... and when I look for partner awards I'm drowning in BA award options... with a fuel surcharge.
Any help appreciated. Sure was easier to find awards under *A and the old US....
Alphaguy
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere...
Can you look for AB awards on the AA site?
If you can, I can't see them... and when I look for partner awards I'm drowning in BA award options... with a fuel surcharge.
Any help appreciated. Sure was easier to find awards under *A and the old US....
Alphaguy
#82
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Yes, AB awards are displayed on aa.com, but they have been reported as extremely scarce recently. Check alternative possibilities:
Partner airline awards now bookable on AA.com (AB, AS, AY, BA, HA, QF, RJ)
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...iscussion.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...es-2015-a.html
All have wikiposts with useful information.
Partner airline awards now bookable on AA.com (AB, AS, AY, BA, HA, QF, RJ)
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...iscussion.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...es-2015-a.html
All have wikiposts with useful information.
Last edited by JDiver; Feb 9, 2016 at 10:24 am
#83
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This avoid the surcharge game almost makes me want to go to United...
#84
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God knows, the last thing oneworld needs is even fewer fuel-surcharge-free award seats to Europe. Their absence is particularly problematic for Avios, as AB offered a rare opportunity in that program to fly surcharge-free across the Atlantic.
#85
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Yeah, what the f*** is going on. I want to book TXL-KEF on AB but see no award space on either AA.com or BA.com. It is available on AB's website.
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
#86
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Cross-posting from the other thread going on this. Something is definitely funky with AB availability via AA and BA. I suspect it's an IT issue since the space shows up on QF.
I want to book TXL-KEF on AB but see no award space on either AA.com or BA.com. It is available on AB's website.
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
I want to book TXL-KEF on AB but see no award space on either AA.com or BA.com. It is available on AB's website.
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
#87
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Yeah, what the f*** is going on. I want to book TXL-KEF on AB but see no award space on either AA.com or BA.com. It is available on AB's website.
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
I did some tests by checking the TXL-ORY route (since TXL-KEF is not checkable on Qantas.com).
- It is available on AA.com, BA.com, QF.com up till Apr 30.
- It is wide open on QF.com beyond Apr 30. But no award space shows up on AA.com or BA.com for any date after that.
Previous threads report BA and AA availability on AB drops off a cliff around Mar 5 or Mar 30. It looks like that is now Apr 30.
I don't understand what the hell is going on and why QF still has access to space but BA and AA don't.
I would like to book an award to KEF in June using AA miles (not from the US) before the Mar 22 devaluation and this really throws a wrench in the works. KEF is hard enough to get to as it is.
I know people have gotten the OneWorld liaison involved in the past. Can someone help?! Clearly we are all in the same boat...
#89
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Oddly, AA can see Niki flights. So there is availability on the twice weekly (or whatever it is) VIE-KEF flight past 4/30, although not sure how to get from TXL to VIE.
BA is another option to KEF.
BA is another option to KEF.