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Currently (24 Sep 2017): airberlin has filed for insolvency, and announced they will wind down all operations by 28 October 2017. As of 15 Oct 2017 discontinued all long haul operations. Link to Forbes Magazine article.
Previously:
NOTE: change may be in the air.
Previously:
NOTE: change may be in the air.
http://aviationweek.com/awincommerci...ses-us-partner
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
AB / airberlin "Air Berlin" award issues (by 28 Oct 2017 winds down ops)
#62
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It seems that Air Berlin is either extremely popular or just unavailable in the OneWorld network. I have been looking for flights in economy or business from TXL - JFK and I can't find a single Air Berlin flight in June or a return Air Berlin Flight in August. I would expect that, even if a saver wasn't available, there would be a standard award available at least one of those days throughout the month. I spoke to an AA rep, thinking I would have better luck on the phone, and they said that they have had the same issue with AB as well as Cathay. Not sure if anything can be done. I would fly BA but their carrier fees are almost as expensive as buying the ticket outright. What a scam that is.
P.S. On the flip side Star Alliance has plenty of saver availability for TXL-JFK and their carrier fees are peanuts. +1 for Star Alliance.
P.S. On the flip side Star Alliance has plenty of saver availability for TXL-JFK and their carrier fees are peanuts. +1 for Star Alliance.
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So according to AA they have no knowledge of any problem displaying AB flights past April 30th even though the calendar is blank for every route I tried.
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And FWIW, I think AB J to be perfectly serviceable. I'd take it over most of the AA or BA J products, particularly if it cut off a connection.
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I think AB is just fine IME. And in the past it would sometimes be one of the more available options across the pond particularly without onerous fuel surcharges.
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Further, the OP did not state he was only interested in non-stop options, not sure where you got that from.
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Further, the OP did not state he was only interested in non-stop options, not sure where you got that from.
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Actually, considering that AY, BA and IB (Express) all fly to TXL from their respective hubs, connecting to TXL using an airline other than AB is a possibility.
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Actually, considering that AY, BA and IB (Express) all fly to TXL from their respective hubs, connecting to TXL using an airline other than AB is a possibility.
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Sure, it's a possibility. But if the concern is award availability, you'd certainly want AB short haul to be available, which not only increases availability but also opens up practically every AA European destination. Are you saying you think Iberia has amazing business class? Or just trolling?
I was simply pointing out that your claim that "you will likely need an Air Berlin flight to connect from Berlin to whatever your transatlantic gateway of choice is" is not an accurate representation. For most people using AA miles and not AB, I'd say their transatlantic gateway is London, Madrid, or Helsinki--all of which have flights on other airlines that connect to TXL. And I would say, at least for BA and AY, that award availability intra-Europe for these airlines is generally readily available. Hence, if I were willing to take a connection because I wanted to fly the AA 77W or AY or IB, rather than AB (as it seems at least one person is willing to do), then the lack of AB availability is not necessarily a problem.
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Sure, it's a possibility. But if the concern is award availability, you'd certainly want AB short haul to be available, which not only increases availability but also opens up practically every AA European destination. Are you saying you think Iberia has amazing business class? Or just trolling?
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Sure, it's a possibility. But if the concern is award availability, you'd certainly want AB short haul to be available, which not only increases availability but also opens up practically every AA European destination. Are you saying you think Iberia has amazing business class? Or just trolling?
I was simply pointing out that your claim that "you will likely need an Air Berlin flight to connect from Berlin to whatever your transatlantic gateway of choice is" is not an accurate representation. For most people using AA miles and not AB, I'd say their transatlantic gateway is London, Madrid, or Helsinki--all of which have flights on other airlines that connect to TXL. And I would say, at least for BA and AY, that award availability intra-Europe for these airlines is generally readily available. Hence, if I were willing to take a connection because I wanted to fly the AA 77W or AY or IB, rather than AB (as it seems at least one person is willing to do), then the lack of AB availability is not necessarily a problem.