FA permitting a "self upgrade" to MCE/exit row after boarding door closes
Nov 19, 2017, 4:20 pm
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If AA really cared all they would have to do is make an announcement that all passengers should remain in their assigned seats. And are you 'guaranteed' the seat you reserved, I think it's not a guarantee.
The next thing you tell me is coach pax can't use the F lav on domestic flights.
The next thing you tell me is coach pax can't use the F lav on domestic flights.
Nov 19, 2017, 4:35 pm
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Nov 19, 2017, 4:41 pm
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If they were separately ticketed as a higher cabin, then they would be subject to APD at standard rate - since they are not charged standard rate APD, they are not upgrades but just better seats within the same cabin
Nov 19, 2017, 5:09 pm
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MCE does not incur standard APD at any time. The seat dimensions, not the cabin, dictate the APD incurred.
Nov 19, 2017, 5:24 pm
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But it does cost more to upgrade to MCE. In this particular case according to the AA.com seat map for my flight, it was $105 more.
Nov 19, 2017, 5:33 pm
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So you're insisting that these both are and aren't upgrades, depending on whichever definition is convenient for you at a given instant? What integrity.
Nov 19, 2017, 5:52 pm
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As stated, the admitted lucking into PEY seats - not actual PEY as they weren't marketed and there was no PEY soft product - that those of us in booked MCE on that flight had was in no way "self-upgrading" into a section/cabin/seat group that others had booked into. In this case, the self-upgraders did self upgrade into MCE. If there was no PEY seats on this flight and people from further back self-upgraded to the MCE rows, my original post would've been the same with the same point about FA's allowing self-upgraders to MCE.
This was the case of the DL flight I was originally referring to when the FA did not allow self-upgraders to the MCE equivalent seats. It seems DL's policy of not letting people from the back sit in more expensive seats they weren't booked in is different than AA's which appears to allow them to.
Nov 19, 2017, 6:03 pm
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Originally Posted by apd
The reduced rates apply where the passengers are carried in the lowest class of travel on any flight unless the seat pitch exceeds 1.016 metres (40 inches), in which case, whether there is one or more than one class of travel the standard rates apply
Nov 19, 2017, 10:33 pm
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Unless you are elite or higher fare like y,b fare, "most aisle seats" have a cost associate with it. However, it will free up during check-in, also, more often than not, exit row will be assigned to non elite (which supposedly higher "seat cost")
I would not consider it as upgrade just like mce, and I feel FA has right to do so, within their power as long as within the same cabin, no?
While probably happening everyday, havent heard anyone brag about change from a middle seat "upgrade" to an aisle seat.
OP got "upgrade" (in his word, lucked out)within the cabin before flight start, no one else should be "upgraded" after??
I would not consider it as upgrade just like mce, and I feel FA has right to do so, within their power as long as within the same cabin, no?
While probably happening everyday, havent heard anyone brag about change from a middle seat "upgrade" to an aisle seat.
OP got "upgrade" (in his word, lucked out)within the cabin before flight start, no one else should be "upgraded" after??
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Nov 21, 2017, 3:30 am
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This was the case of the DL flight I was originally referring to when the FA did not allow self-upgraders to the MCE equivalent seats. It seems DL's policy of not letting people from the back sit in more expensive seats they weren't booked in is different than AA's which appears to allow them to.
This was the case of the DL flight I was originally referring to when the FA did not allow self-upgraders to the MCE equivalent seats. It seems DL's policy of not letting people from the back sit in more expensive seats they weren't booked in is different than AA's which appears to allow them to.
That is completely different from AA's MCE and should not be compared.
Nov 21, 2017, 6:19 am
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On your next flight, stop at a grocery store before the flight and buy 10 packets of M&M candies. Bring them aboard the plane. Pass the packets out to the people around you, saving one packet for yourself. But DO NOT eat the M&M's yet.
Instead, ask everyone to COUNT the exact number of M&M's in their packet. It's likely that some packets have more M&M's than others.
Lastly, if someone else has more M&M's in their packet, than YOU have in YOUR packet, scream "unfair" at the top of your lungs, and start a thread on FlyerTalk.
Let's understand what's happening here. It's okay for some people to get more than others. It happens all the time. It's normal ... as long as the person who gets more is MEEEEEE. Any other scenario is an outrage.
Instead, ask everyone to COUNT the exact number of M&M's in their packet. It's likely that some packets have more M&M's than others.
Lastly, if someone else has more M&M's in their packet, than YOU have in YOUR packet, scream "unfair" at the top of your lungs, and start a thread on FlyerTalk.
Let's understand what's happening here. It's okay for some people to get more than others. It happens all the time. It's normal ... as long as the person who gets more is MEEEEEE. Any other scenario is an outrage.
AA needs to outline an actual policy regarding MCE and then enforce it. Every other airline that offers an extended economy product does this.
Nov 21, 2017, 9:10 am
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Comfort plus on DL is a separate booking class. W is different from all other fare buckets. Specific overhead storage bins are reserved for C+ PAX. On longer domestic flights it comes with complimentary Cocktails.
That is completely different from AA's MCE and should not be compared.
That is completely different from AA's MCE and should not be compared.