Exec_Plat

What is the "fare paid" on award travel?

Dave Noble

The miles used plus cash paid in taxes/surcharges

Miles are a form of payment and award tickets are expressly stated as being covered by the regulation

Fortunately, the value of AA miles is fairly easily quantifiable since AA sells them directly

seawolf

As mentioned, EC261 compensation applies due to downgrade even on mileage tickets. Whether AB cuts you a check or AB works with AA to put miles back to your account is for them to work out. Please keep us updated.

matinicus rock

Is this incredibly useful info in an easily accessible wiki somewhere? Thanks Mr Noble for this...

ajacpril

Yes, I know there is no milk and honey.

My flight was scheduled to leave at 1:05 pm. It was past 1230pm by the time I found out about the downgrade. The only flight to LHR that could have connected to a LAX flight left at 1:50pm. Very unlikely that I was going to get rebooked, my checked bag was going to come off the JFK plane and get on to the LHR plane within that narrow window. Hence my comment about rerouting not being an option.

ajacpril

Thanks. This is very useful input. I will try this approach and let you know what happens.

Exec_Plat

So when you have an infant and are traveling with an award ticket internationally, they charge 10% of the [miles+fees/surcharges] you are paying?



Anyway, OT- but it is my experience that award travel lets them make up any rules they want when it comes to the value of your travel.

mikelat

If miles are the form of payment, wouldn't the refund then be in miles? Wouldn't AA/AB just refund 75% of the one way J miles for the ticket? Or must it be in cash for the comp?

Dave Noble

When writing to AB requesting the compensation then it is miles that is owed so requesting 37500 AA miles is appropriate but I would also offer to accept a cash equivalent of $1,123.81 being the replacement cost of the miles. If it was AA that had the delay then would definitely just ask for the miles but since the claim is against AB, offering for a cash equivalent option too seems to make sense

Also 75% of any cash componant paid ( taxes /charges )

If the airline tries to avoid its obligations , then , if needing to take it to court, then a claim for $1,123.81 would seem appropriate

I would expect this to be a simple claim since there are no exceptions where a downgrade would not be due compenstion ( unlike delays/cancellations where some airlines try and class any event that occurs as an extraordinary circumstance to try an avoid paying out )

Dave Noble

In the EU, the rules are not the same as the US

AA does not offer mileage awards for infants iirc and so for an infant it simply is charged as 10% of the applicable adult normal fare , so the refund for a downgraded infant would be 75% of the cash paid for the infant

idainc

A related question:

I have an upcoming itinerary - US/AA/AB outbound and AB/AB (next day) / US return.
Can or rather will US print AA & AB BP's and can or will AB print the last US BP in DUS ?

Thanks.

fly747first

By common sense, it would be cheaper for the airline to pay for a hotel than to have to refund a hefty amount due to the downgrade.

Dave Noble

It would then be required to pay EUR600 in delay compensation as well as pay for hotel, meals and incidentals, so in this case may not actually be much better value

If someone was on a $4000 ticket, it may be better value than having to pay out $3000 though

saaveraward

If my first segment goes mechanical which causes me to miss my TATL flight that leaves on time, is it covered? All booked on the same PNR, same carrier.

And again, it must be EU-US and not the reverse, correct?

Thanks

seawolf

Please list the carrier/flights involved