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Best Business Seat 777-200 “777” C37 Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business

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Boeing "777" / CIP Refitted 777-223ER / Zodiac "Concept D Business Suite" Discussion
No First Class; Full Flat Aisle Access Business, Aft and Forward Facing

NOTE: Discussion here is for the 772 refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only. All 45J have been refitted to 37J.

See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here. Note:

Originally Posted by MSP_Monopoly View Post
FYI fleet site is wrong for N779AN.

It shows Zodiac but I am currently sitting on board and it’s all forward facing BE seats.


State of the Seat / quick explanation on the different versions of 777-200ER:

Originally Posted by econometrics View Post
Just note that now, here is the updated info (as of 10 Dec 2018):

AA has 47 777-200ER (772) planes flying.

5 of them HAD 45 biz seats (45J), and flew almost exclusively from LAX, JFK and RDU. They have Zodiac forward/rear facing seats.

All of them have 37 biz seats (37J) and fly through all the hubs with 772 routes. (The last two 2 are at KPAE getting refit as of 7 Dec 2018)

28 have Super Diamond seats

19 have Zodiac seats.


Boeing 777-223ER – 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet) threads list:



FEATURES:
  • Zodiac "Concept D" seats "connected at the head" are subject to motion induced by connected seat. Seats not "connected at the head include 1A (NOT 1L); 7A&L; 10 or 12A&L (see post #1 illustrations), depending on business cabin size - the last window seats in J. generally, aft-facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space. AA is in the process of modifying the Zodiac seat to eliminate this "motion over the ocean" issue.

  • Aft-facing seats seem roomier at shoulder level when reclined than forward facing seats.

  • Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations.



Originally Posted by fredshino View Post
I was looking at the seat maps and I'm not sure this is correct. It seems like the seat pairs are connected by the "head" side. The only seats that don't look connected are:

1 A, D, H
7 A, L
12 A, L

  • Avoid: 6L, too close to lav, galley; row 12 is separated from coach by a fabric net and it an be noisy.

  • Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.

  • Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.

  • Privacy dividers between Business middle seats D and H were delivered not working properly. AA has dealt with this by "locking" D-H privacy dividers up, down or alternating with (usually) odd seat rows (facing forward) dividers down, even (facing aft) up. FAs can not change this; it is apparently done by maintenance crew. This is also under repair.

  • Cabin lighting is 787 style; suite lighting includes a swiveling but flat two intensity LED and a traditional overhead lamp.

  • Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.

  • In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110 VAC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)

  • The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.

  • General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.

  • IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.

  • WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi

  • Bose noise reducing headsets are provided in J; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.

  • A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.

  • Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.


Resources and threads of interest:



Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, in favor of 777 now.


  • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.


See: 77D / Refit 777-200ER / 772 / CIP: No First; New Business Rollout Starts 2014 (consolidated) for early and general discussion.

Connecting Seat Issues - Listing of which tail numbers seem to be affected (not fixed) by connecting seat-induced motion:
  • I flow a 772 v3 with Zodiac last week (N765AN) and I can confirm the rocking connected seats still has not been resolved.
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Old Jul 12, 18, 11:29 pm
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I agree, crew rest most likely. Unlike BA, AA don't AFAIK block seats for their EXPs. Now CK - maybe, but I'm not aware of that either. For now, at least, AA hasn't followed BA in reserving seats for last minute BAEC Gold member bookings (and nor do they charge non-elites in J/F for the privilege of selecting their seats prior to OLCI). Lets' not give them any clever ideas

Originally Posted by thunderlounge View Post
They like to block 1A or 1L for crew rest. Not sure what dictates which one though.
Originally Posted by jk156 View Post
Hi,

Regular BAEC flyer, first time doing long-haul with AA in J next week.

I'm booked on a JFK-LHR service which I'm pretty clear will be a 45J Zodiac configuration. I'd have a preference for a window seat but at the moment seat map is showing nothing available. Expertflyer, though, is showing 1A as blocked rather than occupied. Is this blocked for premium pax (Exec Plat?), and if so any idea if it's possible to request it as a OWE?

Thanks!
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Old Aug 11, 18, 1:56 pm
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Had a trawl through the forum but not found a solid answer so apologies for the obvious question -

Flying AA101 on a 772 in September and trying to work out best seats for a couple. Seems rear facing is the way to go in the centre but are the dividers locked up on these seats? If that's the case we will probably go for window seats instead. If anyone has particular recommendations of centre seats the cabin is fairly free so would love to hear them.

I also am not reading so much about the vibration issue - is this still a problem to worry about?

Thanks in advance!
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Old Aug 11, 18, 11:23 pm
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Originally Posted by obduro View Post
Had a trawl through the forum but not found a solid answer so apologies for the obvious question -

Flying AA101 on a 772 in September and trying to work out best seats for a couple. Seems rear facing is the way to go in the centre but are the dividers locked up on these seats? If that's the case we will probably go for window seats instead. If anyone has particular recommendations of centre seats the cabin is fairly free so would love to hear them.

I also am not reading so much about the vibration issue - is this still a problem to worry about?

Thanks in advance!
There’s no telling until you board. The privacy dividers are not passenger operatable, so they’re set up or down on the ground. Some have reported all up, others all down, but most often they alternate up or down but there’s no pattern.

The “Motion over the ocean” has not been repaired, AFAIK.
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Old Aug 11, 18, 11:24 pm
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There’s no telling until you board. The privacy dividers are not passenger operatable, so they’re set up or down on the ground. Some have reported all up, others all down, but most often they alternate up or down but there’s no pattern.

The “Motion over the ocean” has not been repaired, AFAIK.
Thanks very much! Might take a window pair and see if there are any seats on board in the centre with dividers down in that case.
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Old Aug 12, 18, 7:36 am
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The privacy dividers are not passenger operatable, so they’re set up or down on the ground. Some have reported all up, others all down, but most often they alternate up or down but there’s no pattern.
Is this for certain? I flew the Zodiacs a lot in late 2016 / early 2017 and was always able to lower and raise the dividers myself throughout the flight.

Haven't had a Zodiac frame in the past 16 months or so, though.
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Old Aug 19, 18, 9:33 am
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Just checked in for Flight 123 for tomorrow...Seat Map changed to show notches on some seats. I assume this plane now has the Zodiac seat. I had been seated in 3A which I assume in rear-facing. 1 L was available so I switched my seat assuming it will be forward facing....what I don’t know is ....will it have a window... I’ve looked at many threads and reviews but can’t seem to find information.

I know this is a small concern but I’d like to know if there is a window.

Thank you in advance
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Originally Posted by nalismom View Post
Just checked in for Flight 123 for tomorrow...Seat Map changed to show notches on some seats. I assume this plane now has the Zodiac seat. I had been seated in 3A which I assume in rear-facing. 1 L was available so I switched my seat assuming it will be forward facing....what I don’t know is ....will it have a window... I’ve looked at many threads and reviews but can’t seem to find information.

I know this is a small concern but I’d like to know if there is a window.

Thank you in advance
I have no idea about the types of seats, but I'm on the same flight.. 2L. See you on board!
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...thank you..
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1L has a window. At least that I can remember. Being a plane nerd, I look out a lot and I do not remember there not being one.

Enjoy your flight.
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Remember to choose the left side of the aircraft if you want to watch the arrival into HNL, since most of the time the landing is to the east.
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I have no idea about the types of seats, but I'm on the same flight.. 2L. See you on board!
teemuflyer and nalismom: your seats are "connected"; that means when one of you rocks, your neighbor rolls.

Enjoy your vacations.
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Originally Posted by nalismom View Post
Just checked in for Flight 123 for tomorrow...Seat Map changed to show notches on some seats. I assume this plane now has the Zodiac seat. I had been seated in 3A which I assume in rear-facing. 1 L was available so I switched my seat assuming it will be forward facing....what I don’t know is ....will it have a window... I’ve looked at many threads and reviews but can’t seem to find information.

I know this is a small concern but I’d like to know if there is a window.

Thank you in advance
I didn’t think any of the Zodiac 772s had been refurbed with PE yet? That’s why all of the DFW Hawai’i flights have been with the B/Es since they’ve been refitted with PE.
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That’s strange then because the seat map changed this am...before today seats were solid blue squares and today notches appeared on certain seats.

I didn’t think there was PE on this flight either but it’s been awhile since I booked. Today I noticed PE.

My original seat was 3A....until today when th new seatmap appeared and I looked at other flights this week and on that side 3 A was facing backwards so I switched.

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They sold this flight a week ago with PE, when I bought my tickets..
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