LAA: Airbus A321H / 321 ETOPS replacing LAX Boeing 757 to Hawaii (master thd)
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May 23, 15, 6:59 pm
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LAA: Airbus A321H / 321 ETOPS replacing LAX Boeing 757 to Hawaii (master thd)
Talking to a couple of AA management-types and the days of the 757 ETOPS on Hawaii on AA metal are fast approaching.
In the fall AA will start replacing 2 LAX-HNL 757's with a soon-to-be-delivered sub-fleet of ETOPS A321 aircraft. By the end of the year the 757's to Hawaii will be gone from LA and replaced by the 321.
Couple of interesting notes...the 321 will have to go out with a weight restriction from LIH and OGG. How much I don't know.
And as for PHX, as soon as AA can cover the US 757's with their own 757 ETOPS, the ex-America West 757's will be parked. They are the oldest in the fleet.
I'm not an elite on AA but I would be disappointed in the removal of an aircraft with up to 24 first class seats - with one that only has 16. As far as I know the 321 ETOPS sub-fleet will match the domestic-issue 321 seat-for-seat.
In the fall AA will start replacing 2 LAX-HNL 757's with a soon-to-be-delivered sub-fleet of ETOPS A321 aircraft. By the end of the year the 757's to Hawaii will be gone from LA and replaced by the 321.
Couple of interesting notes...the 321 will have to go out with a weight restriction from LIH and OGG. How much I don't know.
And as for PHX, as soon as AA can cover the US 757's with their own 757 ETOPS, the ex-America West 757's will be parked. They are the oldest in the fleet.
I'm not an elite on AA but I would be disappointed in the removal of an aircraft with up to 24 first class seats - with one that only has 16. As far as I know the 321 ETOPS sub-fleet will match the domestic-issue 321 seat-for-seat.
May 23, 15, 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Night Flyer
FWIW, the A321B showing on the AA schedule in September has 24F on the seat map, rows 1-6.
May 23, 15, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by n7371f
Talking to a couple of AA management-types and the days of the 757 ETOPS on Hawaii on AA metal are fast approaching.
In the fall AA will start replacing 2 LAX-HNL 757's with a soon-to-be-delivered sub-fleet of ETOPS A321 aircraft. By the end of the year the 757's to Hawaii will be gone from LA and replaced by the 321.
Couple of interesting notes...the 321 will have to go out with a weight restriction from LIH and OGG. How much I don't know.
And as for PHX, as soon as AA can cover the US 757's with their own 757 ETOPS, the ex-America West 757's will be parked. They are the oldest in the fleet.
I'm not an elite on AA but I would be disappointed in the removal of an aircraft with up to 24 first class seats - with one that only has 16. As far as I know the 321 ETOPS sub-fleet will match the domestic-issue 321 seat-for-seat.
In the fall AA will start replacing 2 LAX-HNL 757's with a soon-to-be-delivered sub-fleet of ETOPS A321 aircraft. By the end of the year the 757's to Hawaii will be gone from LA and replaced by the 321.
Couple of interesting notes...the 321 will have to go out with a weight restriction from LIH and OGG. How much I don't know.
And as for PHX, as soon as AA can cover the US 757's with their own 757 ETOPS, the ex-America West 757's will be parked. They are the oldest in the fleet.
I'm not an elite on AA but I would be disappointed in the removal of an aircraft with up to 24 first class seats - with one that only has 16. As far as I know the 321 ETOPS sub-fleet will match the domestic-issue 321 seat-for-seat.
Interesting that AA never developed a Boeing 737 ETOPS qualified fleet a la Alaska Airlines (the Inuit man depicted on the tail is wearing a lei) and has chosen to get some A321s "new out of the box" with ETOPS.
Off topic, I remember those Aloha ETOPS 737-200 (Adv) classics!
May 23, 15, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Starting September 31 LAX-HNL and LAX-HNL will be 321 for sure, not sure what happens with the rest and when.
May 24, 15, 12:44 am
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The 757s were pretty ancient, and the "first class" seating is quite cramped, no footrests and so forth. My general strategy is to avoid them if at all possible, and use the 767s instead which in "first" have low-end business class seats that at least have foot rests and lie fairly flat.
At least the A321 will be new.
Now, about the weight restriction. Is this related to the local runways? OGG is somewhat closer to LAX than HNL; LIH is farther.
At least the A321 will be new.
Now, about the weight restriction. Is this related to the local runways? OGG is somewhat closer to LAX than HNL; LIH is farther.
May 24, 15, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by PacificWave
Now, about the weight restriction. Is this related to the local runways? OGG is somewhat closer to LAX than HNL; LIH is farther.
May 24, 15, 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by Night Flyer
FWIW, the A321B showing on the AA schedule in September has 24F on the seat map, rows 1-6.
Originally Posted by Djokison
It's the 757 seatmap. You can tell by the economy seatmap and exit row configuration.
May 24, 15, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by PacificWave
The 757s were pretty ancient, and the "first class" seating is quite cramped, no footrests and so forth. My general strategy is to avoid them if at all possible, and use the 767s instead which in "first" have low-end business class seats that at least have foot rests and lie fairly flat.
At least the A321 will be new.
At least the A321 will be new.
May 24, 15, 7:15 am
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For interest, a HNL-LAX flight I have in December has been changed to a 32B in the last couple of days.
A friend of mine on another flight the same day had the same change.
I've moved to 1A, hopefully this is a nice place to sit.
A friend of mine on another flight the same day had the same change.
I've moved to 1A, hopefully this is a nice place to sit.
May 24, 15, 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by JDiver
Will these be -neos?
May 24, 15, 7:26 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
For interest, a HNL-LAX flight I have in December has been changed to a 32B in the last couple of days.
A friend of mine on another flight the same day had the same change.
I've moved to 1A, hopefully this is a nice place to sit.
A friend of mine on another flight the same day had the same change.
I've moved to 1A, hopefully this is a nice place to sit.
May 24, 15, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by cmd320
Wow! As if the Hawaii market couldn't get any worse... Can an A321 even make it there in the winter?
A321 max range is about 3000 nmi says wikipedia. With wind that might be cutting it fine!
For comparison BA has a pair of A318s operating LON-NYC.
Edit: The longest route a 321 serves is presently 2,800 miles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-sto..._aircraft_type
Probably with weight restrictions Hawaii is not too difficult.
Last edited by Calchas; May 24, 15 at 7:36 am
