Jun 28, 2015, 2:49 pm
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Airbus A321-200 ETOPS / 321H / A321H to Replace Hawaii Boeing 757-223s
A321 is the stretched version of the A320 family of aircraft. AA is the world's largest operator of A321s with 159 in service, 60 on order. These will replace Boeing 757-223s. The A321 is coded by most sources as "32B", which means any A321 with "Sharklets™" blended wingtip devices. All A321s in fleet and order are technically 32B aircraft, as they all arrive "out of the box" with Sharklets™, giving a range of 3,200 nm.
FWAAA: ...this will be a sub-fleet of 16 321H, presumably with the optional extra fuel tanks (total of 7,935 US gal).
321S: F16, XE35, Y130.
Seating is pretty much the same as the 321S for non-premium transcon service. See posts from TWA884 and FWAAA (#176 on) for IFE box and seat peculiarities.
The new leather "slimline" articulated "slider" seats include:
- "Main Cabin Extra*" seats with extra leg room
- In flight WiFi by GoGo (works only within 90 miles of USA mainland)
- "Universal" plug 110 VAC and 5 VDC USB power at every seat
- tilting 8.9" flatscreen IFE with AVOD at every seat** (complimentary in F) with hand controller
. . . (IFE and power mounted on seat back in front of you)
Current AA "domestic" WiFi by GoGo as on this aircraft relies on cellular telephony, which restricts operation to within ~90 miles of land.
**In Theaters Now” movies cost $8, “Best of the Big Screen” (older movies ) for $6 per movie, a “Premium Package” for $5 that includes unlimited 150 network shows on demand and 300 albums, 20 games and audio books. There’s also a Disney option for $4 that includes a variety of kids movies, TV shows, games and music. “Complimentary Programming” offers "NBC Universal on American" and "American Airlines Radio" network.
Note about flight changes and seat numeration between 757 and 321H /S:
- 757 F seats are AB, EF
- A321H F seats are AC, DF
- 24 F seats with 52 MCE and 108 "Main Cabin" indicates a LAA 757-223.
- 14 F recliner seats and no MCE other than exit row seats indicates a legacy US / America West 757-2S7 (these are being retired and replaced by 757-2B7)
- 12 F seats with old "Envoy" seats and no MCE other than exit row seats indicates a legacy US Airways ("East") 757-2B7 (these are replacing the 757-2S7s to Hawaii)
321H replacement of LUS Boeing 752s occurred after Sep 2016 Flight Operations Systems integration.
Updated Oct 2017 - JDiver
LAA: Airbus A321H / 321 ETOPS replacing LAX Boeing 757 to Hawaii (master thd)
May 30, 2017, 3:43 pm
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The wiki, MADPhil as amended by TWA884 are correct. Only 777s (77W and refurbished 772) and 787s offer Ku band international Wi-Fi.
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May 30, 2017, 3:47 pm
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What kind of food might they serve up front on LAX-LIH and LIH-LAX?
It seems like AA doesn't do much for Hawaii flights. Dried pineapple in the nut mix and that is it? No Mai Tai drinks like United?
Also, you can confirm, free IFE of movies in theaters for all passengers, or just in F?
It seems like AA doesn't do much for Hawaii flights. Dried pineapple in the nut mix and that is it? No Mai Tai drinks like United?
Also, you can confirm, free IFE of movies in theaters for all passengers, or just in F?
IFE isn't likely to be very current. The wiki states what the hardware is.
Aug 8, 2017, 4:08 am
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Wished I had seen this post before my trip to HNL from LAX last week. Took for granted that there would be Wi-Fi since the icon for it was posted on the flight details. Wrong!!
Oct 13, 2017, 1:22 pm
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Flying with wife LAX-LIH - 24DE or 8BC?
Two of flying.
Was thinking 24DE so we don't have anyone next to us.
Still never could find answer what "may have limited recline" means.
But figure with extra leg room, shouldn't be issue.
Also, appear we can store stuff under row in front of us.
Let me know if someone things I am crazy and thinks better to sit elsewhere
(11 is gone, 9 and 10 DE are also available)
Was thinking 24DE so we don't have anyone next to us.
Still never could find answer what "may have limited recline" means.
But figure with extra leg room, shouldn't be issue.
Also, appear we can store stuff under row in front of us.
Let me know if someone things I am crazy and thinks better to sit elsewhere
(11 is gone, 9 and 10 DE are also available)
Oct 13, 2017, 1:34 pm
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Was flying LIH-LAX a couple of weeks ago and they had to kick 4 people off the plane after it had already boarded due to weight restrictions caused by changing winds. Offered $1000 vouchers and found 4 people pretty quickly.
Oct 13, 2017, 3:45 pm
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The only problem with 24DE is that the person in 25F will be passing through the space in front of you and they get out off and return to their seat.
That's a recurring issue at LIH due to the short runway and aircraft design limitations (the A319, A320 and A321 share the same wing). Under optimal conditions, the maximum pemissible load is 16+140, leaving 25 open seats. The last time that I flew from LIH, the captain didn't release the brakes until the engines were at full power and then used every available inch of runway on the takeoff roll; we cleared the seawall by only a few dozen feet.
That's a recurring issue at LIH due to the short runway and aircraft design limitations (the A319, A320 and A321 share the same wing). Under optimal conditions, the maximum pemissible load is 16+140, leaving 25 open seats. The last time that I flew from LIH, the captain didn't release the brakes until the engines were at full power and then used every available inch of runway on the takeoff roll; we cleared the seawall by only a few dozen feet.
Oct 27, 2017, 4:16 pm
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Oct 27, 2017, 5:24 pm
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I haven't been to Hawaii in a year or so but used to go back and forth every month. While the A321H fleet is an over the water fleet, it had GoGo which is terrestrial based internet that pulls off the ground towers, which there aren't many of between LAX and Hawaii! Just checking for work planning to see if they switched to satellite (don't think they have but maybe I've missed something.). Some of the TV stuff might be on a hard drive so internet doesn't matter as much for that -- but I'm just thinking email.
Oct 28, 2017, 11:40 am
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The A321H fleet have ATG-4 GoGo, so no service off shore. If they had 2ku, they would be different.
The TV screens and entertainment will work though.
The TV screens and entertainment will work though.
Oct 28, 2017, 1:32 pm
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Oct 28, 2017, 2:22 pm
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I remember Aloha's (3) Boeing 737-2X6C (Adv) ETOPS 120 birds, used to fly to Johnson, Midway, etc. Islands. N816AL flew for HP a while as N671MA, though I doubt HP had it as ETOPS; operated today by Air North as C-GANV, no need for the ETOPS certification.
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