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Guide: LAX / Los Angeles TBIT / Bradley Int値. oneworld Lounges

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Los Angeles International Airport - Tom Bradley International Terminal oneworld Lounges
(oneworld Premium Lounge operated by Qantas) and Qantas First Lounge

Location: Go airside via the North security check. Continue past the SkyTeam marked elevator / lift past the Star Alliance lounge signage and escalators to the main shops area and take the elevator to the oneworld Lounge on floor 5. (LAX / LAWA now allows passengers with same day departing boarding passes multi-terminal access.)

See AA T-4 - LAX TBIT secure airside connector open 25 Feb 2016 for airside access via the new secure airside connector.
oneworld Los Angeles Lounge

Opening hours: Daily: 06:30 - 23:30 (but see linked page for changes)

AMENITIES:
  • WiFi
  • Computer connected to Internet
  • Neil Perry dining and buffet (hot, cold, food carts)
  • Full staffed bar and made to order mixed drinks
  • Barista and coffee selections
  • Shower suites (16)
Notes: The stylish and spacious Business Class Lounge has a contemporary design reflecting Californian culture, combined with signature elements from each airline, built around a communal fireplace and central glass atrium providing natural light. In the lounge's dining area, customers can choose from menus, designed by renowned Qantas chef Neil Perry, based on signature Qantas Lounge favourites with influences of multicultural California, including Italian, Mexican, Japanese, Chinese, Korean and US West Coast street food. Californian food carts similar to the pop-up dining concept offer freshly prepared dishes. At the cocktail bar, customers can select signature cocktails or premium wines, or have the barista create the coffee of their choice. The lounge also offers an enhanced hot and cold buffet, faster WiFi, new workstations and sixteen shower suites with Aurora Spa amenities.

Qantas First Lounge

Opening hours: Daily: 06:30 - 23:30 (but see linked page for changes)

AMENITIES:
  • WiFi
  • Computer connected to Internet
  • Neil Perry restaurant (74 seats, a la carte dining)
  • Full staffed bar and made to order mixed drinks
  • Barista with coffee selections
  • Shower suites (7)
  • Business suites (2 - can be combined for conference room)
  • Shirt pressing (First)
Notes: The Qantas Los Angeles First Lounge defines a new standard of luxury and sophistication for First and eligible premium customers travelling through LAX. The spacious, light and open plan lounge is three times the size of the previous First Lounge. The lounge features a 74-seat a la carte restaurant, Californian Knoll furniture selected by Marc Newson, including 12 Eero Saarinen Womb Chairs with matching ottomans, 2 private work suites that can open into one larger private meeting room, state of the art wi-fi, wireless printing capabilities, TVs equipped with cable television and 7 dedicated shower suites, complete with Aurora Spa products. The a la carte Rockpool menu has been designed by Neil Perry, featuring signature dishes from the Qantas flagship Sydney and Melbourne lounges, as well as locally inspired LA cuisine. Menus will change seasonally, every 3 months. Access to First Class Lounges is restricted to Emerald members or those travelling in First Class.
Access rules: (v. Mar 12, 2016)

Qantas First Lounge

Must be traveling on a oneworld marketed and operated flight ("qualifying flight") and be
  • departing in, or connecting from, first class on a oneworld international flight of over 5 hours, or

  • traveling in first class on a three-class domestic flight (currently JFK-LAX or SFO and return, some LAX-MIA), or (2017 change) First LAX-MIA-LAX.

  • a oneworld Emerald cardholder.
    • Exception: AA Executive Platinum members are not eligible for access when traveling solely on flights within or between the U.S., Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), Bermuda, the Bahamas, and the Caribbean.
Also note: ...customers travelling in First class on U.S. transcontinental flights between JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO and MIA-LAX (and vice-versa) are eligible for lounge access. oneworld lounge access page - link
Originally Posted by Ready Reckoner
For access to the Qantas First Lounge at TBIT just one of the following needs to be true:
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  • Non AAdvantage oneworld Emerald travelling on a oneworld Marketed and operated flight.
  • AAdvantage Executive Platinum travelling on a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight NOT solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • First Class passengers travelling on a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight not solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • Passengers in First Class on a flight longer than five hours connectingァ to/from a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight and not solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • First Class passengers travelling on an American Airlines Marketed and Operated flight between Los Angeles & New York or Los Angeles & Miami.
* A "North American* Itinerary" is travel on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean.
Connecting the same day or before 6am the following day.
oneworld Los Angeles Lounge (business lounge operated by Qantas)

Note this is a oneworld lounge, not a Qantas Club. It is not part of any reciprocity agreement with Admirals Club.

Must be traveling on a oneworld marketed and operated flight ("qualifying flight") and be
  • departing in, or connecting from, first or business class on a oneworld international flight of over 5 hours, or

  • traveling in first or business class on a three-class domestic flight (currently JFK-LAX or SFO and returns, and LAX-MIA - changed in 2017 to include MIA-LAX-MIA two class flights), or

  • a oneworld Emerald or Sapphire cardholder.
    • Exception: AA Executive Platinum and Platinum members are not eligible for access when traveling solely on flights within or between the U.S., Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), Bermuda, the Bahamas, and the Caribbean.
Originally Posted by Ready Reckoner
For access to the oneworld Business Lounge at TBIT just one of the following needs to be true:
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  • Non AAdvantage oneworld Sapphire or Emerald travelling on a oneworld Marketed and operated flight.
  • AAdvantage Platinum or Executive Platinum travelling on a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight NOT solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • First and Business Class passengers travelling on a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight not solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • Passengers in First or Business Class on a flight longer than five hours connectingァ to/from a oneworld Marketed and Operated flight and not solely on a "North American* Itinerary".
  • First Class and Business class passengers travelling on an American Airlines Marketed and Operated flight between Los Angeles & New York or Los Angeles & Miami.
* A "North American* Itinerary" is travel on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean.
Connecting the same day or before 6am the following day.
Link to walk through of new TBIT oneworld lounge operated by Qantas.

Each of the three alliances was given lounge space at the new TBIT, the square footage determined by how large each alliance is at LAX. As oneworld is the largest alliance at LAX, it was given the largest lounge space. Then each alliance chose one airline to operate the lounge - Qantas for oneworld, Air New Zealand for Star and Korean Air for SkyTeam.

Emirates was also given their own lounge space and there will be a third-party lounge for non-affiliated carriers...
Link to review, with photos, on BoardingArea.

See this blog for many photos.




You can now travel between AA Terminal 4 and Tom Bradley International Terminal (TBIT) via the new secure airside connector, and between the American Airlines and the legacy US Airways / Alaska terminals without leaving Security via airside connection or shuttle service T-4 <-> T-6. The shuttle runs every 15 minutes between 5:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m., with stops at Terminal 6 (Gate 65A) and Terminal 4 (down escalator by Gate 44) - or take a 10-minute walk via the connecting tunnel. Yet another shuttle bus from ground level by Gate 44 connects to the Remote (American Eagle) terminal, with its own Club.
  • For LAX Flagship Lounge, see to here)

  • For the "Eagle's Nest" Admirals Club in the remote American Eagle terminal see here.

  • For the Terminal 4 Gate 40 Admirals Cub, see here.
Finally, a new Admirals Club has opened in Terminal 5 in the previous Delta Airlines lounge.

Older posts regarding the old lounge closure and discussing the new oneworld lounge prior to opening are located in this archived thread ARCHIVE: new Qantas operated oneworld lounge at LAX TBIT; old lounge closed.
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Old Dec 3, 15, 1:06 pm
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IIRC, as long as you were in F on a OW carrier on the incoming flight you shouldn't have an issue.

Originally Posted by calvinoeh View Post
Anyone have success getting into the lounge as a AA EXP arriving international and departing on AA domestic?
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Originally Posted by 2Tall4Y View Post
IIRC, as long as you were in F on a OW carrier on the incoming flight you shouldn't have an issue.
While true, calvinoeh would be getting in on status (since they didn't mention anything about class of service). Also, that statement about "F on a OW carrier" should include the condition about it needing to be long-haul (forget at the moment how OW defines that, but info should be on the OW website).
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Originally Posted by cmn.jcs View Post
...Also, that statement about "F on a OW carrier" should include the condition about it needing to be long-haul (forget at the moment how OW defines that, but info should be on the OW website).
... more than five hours ...
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Well yes, there are more details which can easily be found via "The Google"....or the hyperlink to the QF lounge rules could just be added to the wiki. I was aware my single sentence did not cover all scenarios.
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Originally Posted by 2Tall4Y View Post
Well yes, there are more details which can easily be found via "The Google"....or the hyperlink to the QF lounge rules could just be added to the wiki. I was aware my single sentence did not cover all scenarios.
You could add that link, given you have over 90 days and 90 posts on FT.
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OK, so... I assume these blokes are now reading the rules quite strictly, so I'm wondering whether access would be granted to the business lounge to an AA platinum flying in economy LAX-DFW-LHR, all on the same itinerary, all on the same day. I'm guessing that's a no based on a strict reading of oneworld lounge access rules, but figured I'd ask to see what recent experiences were since agents stopped making up their own rules.
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JDiver dropping knowledge once again, thank you. I had no idea I had these powers!

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You could add that link, given you have over 90 days and 90 posts on FT.
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OK, so... I assume these blokes are now reading the rules quite strictly, so I'm wondering whether access would be granted to the business lounge to an AA platinum flying in economy LAX-DFW-LHR, all on the same itinerary, all on the same day. I'm guessing that's a no based on a strict reading of oneworld lounge access rules, but figured I'd ask to see what recent experiences were since agents stopped making up their own rules.
Is that because the LAX-DFW flight is considered a long-haul? I thought the long-haul definition was 5 or more hours.

Or perhaps that's just the AC-access rules, and the OW Lounge rules require you to depart from that airport, not just have a same-day int'l flight.
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Originally Posted by Microwave View Post
OK, so... I assume these blokes are now reading the rules quite strictly, so I'm wondering whether access would be granted to the business lounge to an AA platinum flying in economy LAX-DFW-LHR, all on the same itinerary, all on the same day. I'm guessing that's a no based on a strict reading of oneworld lounge access rules, but figured I'd ask to see what recent experiences were since agents stopped making up their own rules.
The agents were not making up their own rules - they were misinformed by management.

An AAdvantage PLAT should get access for same day LAX-xDFW-LHR based on them NOT "travelling solely on North American flights within or between the U.S., Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean.".

Of course, I believe that's what should happen ... YMMV on this ...

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Originally Posted by serfty View Post
The agents were not making up their own rules - they were misinformed by management.

An AAdvantage PLAT should get access for same day LAX-xDFW-LHR based on them NOT "travelling solely on North American flights within or between the U.S., Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean.".

Of course, I believe that's what should happen ... YMMV on this ...
The reason I thought "no" was that there's a clear carve out for class of service based access in the oneworld access rules when connecting from short haul to long haul which is missing from the status-based access rules. Have you (or anyone for that matter) had luck getting in with such an itinerary? Obviously AC access wouldn't be a problem, just thinking for this lounge that they may be looking st the letter of the rules quite specifically...
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It can be taken two ways - but this is an AA based exclusion noted on the *O web site.

Lounge access is available for AA EXP and PLAT before AA domestic flights that are connecting to same day international *O flights.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...itinerary.html

i.e they are on non "Domestic" itineraries (i.e. At LAX an EXP has access to the Flagship Lounge/AC & PLAT access to AC on LAX-xDFW-LHR in economy). I suspect it's more of a slight miswording allowing for a possible misinterpretation of the intent.

Here's what AA indicates: (http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInforma...jsp#exceptions)
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  • Lounge access is not available if you’re traveling on American Airlines solely within the United States or between the United States and the Caribbean, Canada, or Mexico (except Mexico City) unless you’re a oneworld Emerald or Sapphire customer. However, AAdvantage Executive Platinum and Platinum members regardless of Emerald or Sapphire status, are not eligible ...
... that too, is poorly worded.

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May be a dumb question, but how do you leave TBIT? Can you just walk out through baggage claim like a domestic? No need for customs etc?
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Correct: TBIT is set up to handle both domestic and international traffic, so it's quite easy to leave like any domestic arriving passenger would.
As an aside, if you're arriving on a domestic or pre-cleared int'l flight, you deplane into the gate area, and at least as of September, TBIT did not have any signs (as far as I could see) directing anyone to either baggage claim or ground transportation from the gate area. I arrived on an EY pre-cleared flight, and EY had a small army of staff positioned throughput the terminal to direct people to baggage claim and outside.
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Correct: TBIT is set up to handle both domestic and international traffic, so it's quite easy to leave like any domestic arriving passenger would.
Are any US international terminals set up so that you can't just up and leave the terminal on a whim? We don't have exit control like most other countries.

Incidentally, is there PreCheck available at TBIT? I left on an early flight last month (~8:30) and security was a mess- 45-50 min with only two lines working, no premium line open. Is it always this bad?
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Are any US international terminals set up so that you can't just up and leave the terminal on a whim? We don't have exit control like most other countries.
LAX is my home airport, and I am getting confused reading the past two pages of this thread.

Let me state what I believe to be the case:

If you arrive in TBIT from an international flight, and you were not pre-cleared by CBP at the origin, then you will be segregated from the rest of the terminal and directed to the CBP area for immigration and customs clearance. You will exit to the "landside" part of the airport, and will need to re-clear TSA security to enter "airside", where the lounges are located. You will need a departing flight boarding pass to re-clear TSA security, or a special pass issued by the lounge for reasons of a business meeting in the lounge.

If you arrive from a pre-cleared international flight or from any domestic flight, then you go into the main terminal where the lounges are located, mixing with departing passengers. If eligible, you can visit a lounge there or just leave the secured area and go landside, collect any checked baggage and leave the airport. If your connecting flight is in T4, then you need to walk over to T4 (very short walk), go through T4 TSA security and visit the Admirals Club in T4.

Incidentally, is there PreCheck available at TBIT? I left on an early flight last month (~8:30) and security was a mess- 45-50 min with only two lines working, no premium line open. Is it always this bad?
No Pre-Check in TBIT. Last month I was on a domestic flight (LAX-MCO) that departed from TBIT. I had to stand in the long line with everyone else, but thanks to my Pre-Check status, I was allowed to keep my shoes on and go through the metal detector. I asked a TSA employee about no Pre-Check in TBIT. She told me most flights from TBIT are foreign carriers that do not participate in the Pre-Check program. My domestic AA flight was an exception.
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Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach View Post
No Pre-Check in TBIT. Last month I was on a domestic flight (LAX-MCO) that departed from TBIT. I had to stand in the long line with everyone else, but thanks to my Pre-Check status, I was allowed to keep my shoes on and go through the metal detector. I asked a TSA employee about no Pre-Check in TBIT. She told me most flights from TBIT are foreign carriers that do not participate in the Pre-Check program. My domestic AA flight was an exception.
There seem to be more AA domestics from TBIT than before but I assume that they are waiting for the airside connector to open rather than implementing Pre-Check at TBIT.
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