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Aug 8 2019 ---> August 2019 international expansion announced
Apr 27 2019--->New AA USA - Europe services for 2019

AA-metal flights from Europe & Africa:
AMS - PHL, DFW(s)
ATH - ORD (s), PHL(s)
BCN - CLT(s), JFK, MIA, ORD(s), PHL(s)
BLQ - PHL(s)
BUD - ORD(s) PHL(s)
CDG - CLT (s), DFW, JFK, MIA, ORD (s), PHL
CMN - PHL(s)
DBV - PHL(s)
DUB - CLT(s), DFW(s), ORD(s), PHL
EDI - PHL(s)
FCO - CLT(s), JFK (s), ORD(s), PHL, DFW(s)
FRA - CLT, DFW
KEF - DFW (s)
KRK - ORD(s)
LIS - PHL(s)
LHR - CLT, DFW, JFK, LAX, MIA, ORD, PHL, PHX (s), RDU
MAD - CLT(s), DFW, JFK, MIA, PHL
MAN - PHL
MUC - CLT, DFW(s), [PHL ended March 30, 2019]
MXP - JFK, MIA
PRG - ORD(s), PHL(s)
SNN - PHL(s)
TLV - DFW
TXL - PHL(s)
VCE - PHL(s), ORD(s)
ZRH - PHL
(s) = Seasonal route

(table - revised image added 09 Aug 2019)

Last update: August 9th, 2018

Resources:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1967050-new-aa-usa-europe-services-2019-a.html

Link to AA Cargo site (lists widebody routes and aircraft)
Link to cargo schedules

Link to AA interactive route map

Link to AA interactive award map

Link to American Way Magazine online, which offers various maps. “It's low-resolution when viewed online, but if you download it, it downloads a higher-resolution version.“

Aircraft offering fully horizontal lie flat seats in Business / First.

See links to threads on specific aircraft and seating in aircraft help desk.

NOTE: All* widebody aircraft are being fitted with Premium Economy seating using the Rockwell Collins MiQ seat. In some instances, the required seat reduction is from Main Cabin Extra. All AA widebody aircraft and international 757-200s offer lie flat Business seats, other than US-Hawaii 757s offering standard recliners. All lie flat seats other than the 75L and 321T Diamond Parallel Seats are all aisle seat access.

Aircraft type - timetable designation - seat type (notes)

Airbus A330-300 / 333: Zodiac - Sicma "Envoy Suite" (*No Premium Economy - leaving fleet by 2019)
Airbus A330-200 / 332: Zodiac - Sicma "Envoy Suite"
Airbus A321-200 Transcontinental / 321T (aa.com lists it and other A321s with Sharklets wingtip devices as “32B”): Zodiac Sicma solo suite (F - as 77W J seat); B/E Aerospace Diamond Parallel seat pairs (J) (NOTE: aa.com lists A321T and reclining seat AA A321s with “Sharklets” wingtip devices variants as “32B” on aa.com; US non-Sharklets A321s are listed as “321”)
Boeing 787-9/ 789: B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo (reverse herringbone, face forward)
Boeing 787-8 / 788: Zodiac Concept D Business Suite (face fore and aft)
Boeing 777-300ER / 77W: Zodiac Flagship Suite (F); Zodiac "Cirrus" Business Suite (J)
Boeing 777-200ER/ 772: B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo (reverse herringbone, face forward)
Boeing 777-200ER/ 772: Zodiac Concept D Business Suite (face fore and aft)
Boeing 767-200ER / 763: Thompson Vantage 1 - 2 - 1 layout all aisle access
Boeing 757-200 International / 75L: B/E Aerospace Diamond Parallel 2 x 2 paired seats

Link - The AA Cargo Site offers Widebody schedules

Link - The (unofficial) AA Fleet Site offers configuration by individual aircraft registration (“tail”) number

Initial booking results on aa.com reveal aircraft types operated on routes

Link to archived older posts

Thanks to econometrics.

Where exactly does AA fly to Europe? Which routes have good business seats?

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Nov 14, 2019, 10:44 am

#16

econometrics

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Originally Posted by worldwidetraveler

Are all AA aircraft flying TATL now offering horizontal lie flat seats in Business Class?

Yes.

Nov 14, 2019, 10:47 am

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gregillinois

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Central Europe Business Saver in October- Possible?

We are trying for a 40th anniversary next year to Croatia/Slovenia. My head aches after reading the many posts on business saver scarcity and then spending fruitless hours guessing marriage connections thru ORD or PHL. 99% of the time BA is the only way over the ocean. I even tried Vienna or Venice but BA rules. For October 2020 should I just keep plugging away to get to Budapest (BUD or Dubrovnik (DBV) or Vienna starting out west of ORD/DFW/PHL/SEA? We are flexible on dates and would do an open jaw from north south or vice versa in central Europe if business savers magically appear soon.

Nov 14, 2019, 11:03 am

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JJeffrey

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Originally Posted by gregillinois

Your biggest problem now is that October 2020 is right at the 331 day booking window. Looking today you can't book anything past Oct. 10, 2020. AA definitely does not release much if any business sAAver space right when the booking window opens. It will trickle in days/weeks/months later. There's nothing you can do other than keep an eye on it, sign up for ExpertFlyer and set alerts, etc. Space could open up next month, or in January, or in August, it's anyone's guess.

Also make sure you familiarize yourself with where AA flies and when. For example, AA doesn't serve VIE, so trying to find space there will pretty much automatically route you through LHR. Unless you happen to luck out and find space on AA to LHR, that is why you're seeing everything BA.

Nov 14, 2019, 11:10 am

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Mwenenzi

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Originally Posted by JJeffrey

.....Also make sure you familiarize yourself with where AA flies and when.......

Which are listed in the wiki. Does change from time to time. Some are seasonable.

Nov 17, 2019, 12:12 pm

#20

gregillinois

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Progress to Central Europe

A rare AA business saver ORD to DVB on Iberia did appear so I grabbed it -now on 5 day hold to see if something better for us appears. We are out west near Bozeman (BZN). I know the 331 flight openings is a long shot but you never know. Besides leaving from Chicago we can spend a fun nite in some O'hare strip mall motel! Assuming nothing better comes up I will keep the ORD flight over and start searching on how to get back. I do note going from Dubrovnik and leaving via open jaw from Vienna could be done if we use United to return (except we don't have many United miles). BUD( Budapest) is supposed to be AA metal but so far only Saver BA appears unless you go up to 135,000 miles each. Any further thoughts welcome. Thanks you guys.

Nov 20, 2019, 1:41 pm

#21

gregillinois

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Found 2 more business saver but only on Iberia

FYI- there is a SEA route (7am) and one MSP all going thru ORD then Iberia. Never saw one AA metal flight at saver level- lots of BA though everywhere.

Nov 20, 2019, 3:05 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gregillinois

Found 2 more business saver but only on Iberia

FYI- there is a SEA route (7am) and one MSP all going thru ORD then Iberia. Never saw one AA metal flight at saver level- lots of BA though everywhere.

That is not the topic of this thread

There are other threads on AA general AA awards and on AA ff partners

Nov 20, 2019, 7:46 pm

#23

gumercindo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gregillinois

I was looking for IAD-DBV and saw options via PHL for Jul-2020. No issues. sAAver J class.

Nov 20, 2019, 8:35 pm

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Mwenenzi

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Originally Posted by gumercindo

I was looking for IAD-DBV and saw options via PHL for Jul-2020. No issues. sAAver J class.

As per the wiki no AA flights from IAD to Eu

Nov 20, 2019, 8:42 pm

#25

Ldnn1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mwenenzi

As per the wiki no AA flights from IAD to Eu

Not sure what your point is? Gumercindo said they successfully found AA availability searching from IAD-DBV, via PHL. (Presumably the results gave DCA-PHL or BWI-PHL for the connection since no IAD-PHL)

Last edited by Ldnn1; Nov 20, 2019 at 8:48 pm

Nov 22, 2019, 7:47 am

#26

gumercindo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ldnn1

That's correct. I actually misspoke. There are DCA-PHL-DBV flights on AA metal and there are IAD-CLT-PHL-DBV on AA metal for early July.

Nov 22, 2019, 9:35 am

#27

iadisgreat

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I saw a few days mid-late September DCA-PHL-PRG RT with U2.

Jan 17, 2020, 1:46 pm

#28

laurinky

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Originally Posted by tim.hooker

PHL - ATH begins 5/4.

sadness. in looking at their routes, under new routes they have "Boston, MA (BOS) to London Heathrow (LHR) – starting March 29, 2020." No AA flights came up on my original search so I wonder if it is not a daily flight. Will search more...

Jan 17, 2020, 3:46 pm

#29

rrgg

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Originally Posted by laurinky

What was your search? I'm not sure if you're asking about PHL-ATH or BOS-LHR. The first seems available 5/6 daily not 5/4, and the second 3/29 daily.

Jan 17, 2020, 3:56 pm

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Originally Posted by rrgg

What was your search? I'm not sure if you're asking about PHL-ATH or BOS-LHR. The first seems available 5/6 daily not 5/4, and the second 3/29 daily.

I need to get from BOS to ATH. routing doesn't matter to me but the fees do. I'll check again to see if some of the fares are AA fares and have lower fees.

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