Jan 23, 2015, 6:01 pm
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American Airlines' first Boeing 787 / 787-8 "Dreamliner" delivered at DFW Jan 2015
discussion, current and future deliveries, 1st delivery video link
discussion, current and future deliveries, 1st delivery video link
American Airlines has ordered 16 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner. Deliveries were delayed by aircraft design and assembly issues, but began to be delivered in 2015. 16 788s are on order (plus 26 787-9s and options for more). Seating configuration is 28 Business Class, 48 Main Cabin Extra and 150 Main Cabin. Typical range would be JFK and HKG or JNB.
With a typical capacity of 242 passengers and a range of 7,355 nautical miles (13,621 km), the -8 is the base model of the 787 family and was the first to enter service in 2011.[257] With a length of 186 feet (57 m) and a wingspan of 197 feet (60 m), it is the third Boeing widebody after the 747SP and the 777-200LR wider than its length. The 787-8 is targeted to replace the Boeing 767-200ER and -300ER, as well as expand into new non-stop markets where larger planes would not be economically viable. Link to full Wikipedia article
Inside American Airlines Newest Boeing 787 Dreamliner
The Dallas Morning News
The Dallas Morning News
Configuration: C28 W48 Y150. #1 of 16 787-8s and 26 787-9s on order (total 42 787s including 787-9s and options for another 58).
Currently active: 17
N800AN, N801AC, N802AN, N803AL, N804AN, N805AN, N806AA, N807AA, N808AN, N809AA, N810AN, N811AB, N812AA, N813AN, N814AA, N815AA, N816AA.
Upcoming deliveries (type, estimated date):
N820AL (789, 22SEP16), N821AN (789, 12OCT16), ZB448 (789, 28OCT16), ZB449 (789, 15DEC16), ZB450 (789, 11JAN17), ZB451 (789, 27JAN17), ZA918 (788, 06FEB17), ZA919 (788, 16MAR17), ZA920 (788, 30MAR17), ZB452 (789, 17MAY17), ZB453 (789, 23MAY17), ZB454 (789, 16JUN17), ZB455 (789, 27JUL17), ZB456 (789, 21AUG17).
Please see AA publicly announces initial Boeing 787 / 788 routes 11 Feb 2015 for announced route and inaugural flights information.
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PR News Wire: American Airlines Welcomes First Dreamliner
(Post #186 by JonNYC in the archived thread has details for the 787-9.)
Originally Posted by American Airlines
Boeing 787s
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
Dallas Morning News (30 Jan 2015): American expects to accept 12 Boeing 787-8s in 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in the deliveries thread.
Bloomberg (27 Mar 2015 - see post #144 from tom911) says ships 3 and 4 are parked "in the Mojave desert" until a seats shortage is sorted out.
some final tweaks, incorporating details gleaned from photos:
roadwarrior84 shares some interior photos he found online, herein the old thread.
The obsolete thread is ARCHIVE: AA 787 Orders / Delays / Changes / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolidated).
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AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 arv. Jan 2015; discussion, deliveries
Apr 29, 2015, 12:19 pm
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The 5 being delayed is being reported due to AA wanting to swap some out some -9s for more -8s and that's when Boeing could build them.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13129...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13129...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
Apr 29, 2015, 2:17 pm
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The 5 being delayed is being reported due to AA wanting to swap some out some -9s for more -8s and that's when Boeing could build them.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13129...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13129...o&cm_ven=YAHOO
America said weak traffic demand prompted its deferrals of five 787s. The deferrals were just a little bit to the right, not much: four to 2017 and one to 2018. Our Market Intelligence is much more basic: AA wanted to swap 787-9s to the smaller 787-8s (market demand), which is allowed in the contract. Boeing couldn’t accommodate on the timetable AA wanted, hence the new schedule, according to our information. Plain and simple.
I'm skeptical that there's any basis in reality for Leeham's "market intelligence" that says Boeing was unable to build several additional 787-8s in 2016 instead of several 787-9s. Maybe Scott Hamilton's rumours are correct, but I doubt it.
That said, if AA is ordering more of the small 787-8s, that's sad news. It's a higher-CASM airplane than the 787-9, and AA doesn't need any more headwinds on costs.
Apr 30, 2015, 10:15 am
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I'm pretty impressed with AA's 787 cabin design. It's not as innovative as some of the foreign carriers, but compared to say UA who just jammed their old J seats into the new plane, it looks like AA has taken advantage of some of the differentiating features of the 787, especially the large 2L opening.
Apr 30, 2015, 10:24 am
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Here's the information from the source, not filtered thru Ted Reed:
http://leehamnews.com/2015/04/27/pon...7s-not-hardly/
I'm skeptical that there's any basis in reality for Leeham's "market intelligence" that says Boeing was unable to build several additional 787-8s in 2016 instead of several 787-9s. Maybe Scott Hamilton's rumours are correct, but I doubt it.
That said, if AA is ordering more of the small 787-8s, that's sad news. It's a higher-CASM airplane than the 787-9, and AA doesn't need any more headwinds on costs.
http://leehamnews.com/2015/04/27/pon...7s-not-hardly/
I'm skeptical that there's any basis in reality for Leeham's "market intelligence" that says Boeing was unable to build several additional 787-8s in 2016 instead of several 787-9s. Maybe Scott Hamilton's rumours are correct, but I doubt it.
That said, if AA is ordering more of the small 787-8s, that's sad news. It's a higher-CASM airplane than the 787-9, and AA doesn't need any more headwinds on costs.
Apr 30, 2015, 2:10 pm
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Looking at the pic from http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...eing-787.html/ , it shows the last F row as having forward facing middle seats. I think this is the last row of the forward cabin.
Does this mean that the seatmaps are incorrect? They have the last row forward cabin middle seats facing the rear.
Does this mean that the seatmaps are incorrect? They have the last row forward cabin middle seats facing the rear.
Apr 30, 2015, 2:33 pm
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Right now, the 772 flying ORD-PEK overnights in PEK as it arrives at around 8, leaving American to pay expensive remain overnight fees (RON). The reason why they waited years to start DFW-PEK was a combination of the now defunct pilot contract and bad slot times at PEK. American finally received excellent slot times at PEK for DFW-PEK to start next week. When American does receive an afternoon landing early evening takeoff slot for ORD-PEK, as they do with DFW-PEK, the schedule will change and the 788 will likely end up being used on this route as American has indicated the 788s will be used primarily on ORD/DFW-Asia for time being.