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FAQ: What's a Systemwide Upgrade / SWU / eVIP / VIP? (Master thread)

FAQ: What's a Systemwide Upgrade / SWU / eVIP / VIP? (Master thread)

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NOTE: Upgrade waitlist priority is 1) Status, followed by 2) Rolling EQD earning for last 365 days as of 20 May 2017. Link to FT thread.
  • Executive Platinum members automatically earn four SWU when they earn 100,000 EQM (these expire at the end of the following status year).

  • Executive Platinum members will automatically earn two further SWU at 150,000 and 200,000 EQM
(No further SWUs are forthcoming at 250,000 EQM or after, though CK often have access to two more.)

Remember: EQM earning will vary from 0 to 3.0 EQM per base mile, based on eligible fare class and marketing airline, on EQM earning fares.
NOTE: As of January 2017

"The way your upgrade request is prioritized is you'll be listed according to your elite status level followed by (the type of upgrade - SWU and Upgrade Award, aka miles + copay), the number of EQD (Elite Qualifying Dollars) earned in the (rolling) last 12 months."

Upgrades are prioritized first by the following elite status levels:

Concierge Key SM . (up to 120 hours out)
Executive Platinum (up to 100 hours out)
Platinum Pro . . . . (up to 72 hours out)
Platinum . . . . . . . (up to 48 hours out)
Gold . . . . . . . . . . (up to 24 hours out)

After status tier, upgrades are prioritized by the type of upgrade (SWU and miles + copay before 500 Mile e-upgrades / UDU; your last 12 months' Elite Qualifying Dollar spend on AA. See FAQ: Earning EQD / Elite Qualifying Dollars on AA and partner airlines (2017 on) (EQD will include the EQD offset one might earn from spend on their Barclaycard Aviator Red or Silver card, as announced elsewhere in this forum.)

Date of request has no bearing on upgrade priority other than after all other priorities have been met and thereís a highly unlikely tie.

From AA.com... "Before you get to the airport, requests for systemwide and mileage award upgrades are processed independently from 500-mile upgrade requests.

At the airport, upgrades requested will be prioritized in this order:
  1. Status tier (CK, EXP, PPRO, PLT, GLD, no status)

  2. Upgrade type
    • Systemwide and mileage + copay upgrades
    • 500-mile upgrades on purchased tickets
    • 500-mile upgrades on award tickets for eligible status tiers
  3. Rolling last 12 month EQD spend

  4. Fare booking code (highest to lowest )

  5. Date/time of the request

  6. Load Factor Based Upgrades (after all other upgrade requests have been fulfilled)
See: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aadvantage-p...am-updates.jsp

Systemwide Upgrade FAQ:

Q. What are Systemwide Upgrades, exactly?


Electronic Systemwide Upgrades, abbreviated SWU, also previously referred to as eVIPs or VIPs, are electronic instruments earned as stated previously. SWU generally allow the owner to upgrade up to three segments, more or less in the same direction, on any flights AA flies with their own aircraft (not valid on partners or codeshares - must be marketed and operated by AA), on most paid, published fares to the next class of service. (Successful upgrades on a single SWU include EZE-MIA-JFK-LHR, NRT-LAX-DFW-LHR.)

Q. When do SWU clear?

Upgrades can clear immediately if the appropriate inventory is available (e.g., Coach to Business (and domestic First on two class aircraft) requires "C" class to be available, Business to First requires "A" class to be available). Otherwise, SWU may be waitlisted in priority of AAdvantage status, followed by last 12 months EQD spend (and within those, by fare class if they are full fare Y).

Q. Can I use SWU on codeshares operated by AA?

No. (Though 001 AA ticketing is not a requirement), the flight must be marketed and operated by AA.

Q. Are any fare classes ineligible / invalid for SWU upgrades?

Some government and consolidator fares may not be upgraded; Basic Economy flights may not be upgraded. Award flights may not be upgraded with SWU. See post #683 by JonNYC:

Invalid (for SWU upgrade)
  • Basic Economy tickets, regardless of status level
  • Military fares*
  • Government fares*
  • Agency/industry discounts
  • Employee travel booked in E
  • AAdvantage/promotion free or companion tickets
  • Ticket designators that require a certificate (CEN20, etc.) - contact MSD to verify
  • MSD Site products (ticket designator SITE)
  • CAT25/CAT25 Group Fares for MCLA
  • Charter flights
  • Infant tickets
  • Purchased extra seats (one passenger)
  • Opaque fares
  • Award tickets
*The reason for not allowing SWU / eVIP upgrades to be used in conjunction with a military/government fare is not based on the fare level (although they are discounted), but rather it is based on the full flexibility those fares provide. Military/government fares provide a huge benefit to the customer already in that they can be booked at the last minute and canceled or changed with no advance notice and no penalties. As such, they are not allowed to be used in conjunction with a SWU.

Can I still make use if my SWU and credit the flight(s) to another airline?

You are not supposed to. If switching from AAdvantage to another scheme's FFN, please be aware: Benefitting from a privilege granted for your AAdvantage status and changing your FFN to earn on another airline is generally prohibited by AAdvantage Terms and Conditions. Doing so might risk that benefit (e.g. upgrade).

From the AAdvantage Terms and Conditions (link)

Q. Can I see SWU eligible flights on aa.com? If not, where?

aa.com will also reflect if a SWU can be used as you book - not that there is availability. One can see required inventory (A or C) using ExpertFlyer or other tools.

Q. What is the priority order for SWU wait list clearing?

Priority for wait listing is based first on AAdvantage status of requestor, then by rolling EQD earning during las 12 months; within those criteria, full fare (J or Y) trumps discounted fares.

NOTE: once the booking goes to airport control you may have to request your SWU request be reactivated. Those travel companions previously prioritized by the sponsor's status no longer revert to their own status at airport control.

Q. How do I know if my SWU request has been waitlisted?

You can see it online only 2-3 days prior to your depature. It will say "Systemwide Upgrade Requested". Otherwise, there is no way to know unless you call AA again and ask. In AA app you can see upgrade waiting list from 4 hours prior to the departure. Thank you (link) MrJBoy for clarifying).

If my SWU clears on AA but the flights is cancelled or delayed, and I get put on another AA or partner flight, will my Upgrade be preserved / honored?

On AA and Joint Business Venture partners (AY, BA, IB, JL, QF), AA will attempt to honor the upgrade. On other airline partners it is unlikely.

Q. Can I gift SWUs to others, and will my or their status apply?

You may certainly gift SWU to others. They will have to provide you their information, including PNR, and you will have to call it in. Your status can carry over to one treeling companion (on your itinerary) until the SWU passes to airport control; otherwise, SWU priority will depend on the user's AAdvantage status followed by date of upgrade request.

Q. What if I apply a SWU to a traveling companion?

That traveling companion "borrows" your status in terms of priority on the upgrade waitlist until the waitlisted passes to airport control.

Q. Can I sell or purchase SWUs to / from others (e.g. on eBay or CraigsList)?

While SWU may be gifted to others, AAdvantage rules prohibit selling / purchasing, trading or bartering various instruments, including SWU. A sold SWU will, if caught by AA Corporate Security AAdvantage Fraud (and they actively seek these out), cause SWU / upgrade cancellation at minimum and may even include closing the seller's account with forfeiture of miles, upgrade instruments and even elite status.



Further useful details about using SWU

. . . . Four SWUs are earned by Executive Platinum AAdvantage members when they cross the threshold to EXP, and their expiration is essentially the same as the earned status - January 31 of the ensuing status year (e.g. earn May 5 2017, the status and SWUs are good through 31 Jan 2019).

. . . . Two SWUs are earned by Executive Platinum AAdvantage members when they cross the 150,000 and 200,000 EQ EQ Miles; their expiration is essentially the same as the earned status as described above. (Further increments of 50,000 EQM past 200,000 earn no more SWU.)

. . . . Two SWUs (more) are earned by Concierge Key members.

. . . . Four SWUs are earned by those crossing Million Miler thresholds of 2MM and every Million Miles milestone thereafter.

. . . . ● SWUs may be transferred or gifted (not bargained, bartered or sold) to anyone the owner chooses - the owner must authorize the transfer and provide at minimum the designated person's name, frequent flyer #, and PNR. Note fees and taxes may be due, such as APD / Air Passenger Duty due for flights originating in the UK (or with connections exceeding 23:59).

. . . . ● AA tends to protect passengers granted upgrades with SWUs if IROPS move them to other oneworld flights, particularly JBV partners (AA, AY, BA, IB, JL, preserving already granted upgrades (not waitlisted).

. . . . ● N.B. AA will no longer attach expiring (31 Jan 2017 or -18) SWUs to be attached to existing upgrade inventory 1 Feb and after unless one is a very high value customer; AA now has software in place to prevent this, but if you consider yourself a high value customer, you can ask. Speculatively, EXP through 31 Jan 2018 with Concierge Key and / or 4 or 5 Helix / "Eagles" rating and lots of D and above revenue. See FAQ: New changes 90%+ eliminate post-expiration SWU use (Jun 2014)

. . . . ● If you don't want to wait list your SWU so that it automatically encumbered when a domestic segment becomes available for upgrade, but only want the domestic segments to clear if the international segment clears, ask the AA EP agent to waitlist the international portion but "DSR" the domestic segments; that way, the domestic segments will only clear if the international segment clears.

. . . . ● SWU application can include co-terminals: JonNYC, post #601: "This is the current list of MAC airports, and, as far as I understand it, are generally recognized for revenue tickets including SWU application to same:
  • WAS (DCA, IAD)
  • DFW (DFW, DAL)
  • HOU (HOU, IAH)
  • NYC (JFK, LGA) (I think there is a separate rule that says EWR is always part of NYC for this purpose as well)
  • LON (LGW, LHR, STN)
  • SLU (UVF, SLU)
  • TYO (HND, NRT)"
. . . . UK Air Passenger Duty / APD for LHR/UK departures: (Often incorrectly called "Luxury tax"): Departing from the UK (or on a layover of 24:00 or longer via the U.K.), you'll be charged the full APD (the lowest cabin class - usually economy - pays only half APD). This applies for upgrades to business only. Upgrading business to first doesn't incur this, (since your business ticket already included the full APD). This does not apply TO the U.K. or to connecting in under 24:00 in the U.K. Other airports may impose other taxes, e.g. HKG is USD $2.80.

. . . . ● Through (two flights with the same flight number, or through flights with stops) flights pose challenges insofar as upgrade availability must exist on all sectors. You may have to call AA to use a SWU on through flights.


Suggested reading:

aa.com: SYSTEMWIDE UPGRADES AND FAQS

FlyerTalk: Upgrades / SWUs / eVIPs and UK APD / Air Passenger Duty questions

New *internal* changes will 90%+ eliminate post-expiration use of SWUs by JonNYC

This post in the thread entitled "Reversing Use of SWU. Is this possible?" (it is not. AA no longer allows cancelling a SWU and substituting "stickers".)


MODERATOR NOTE

Archived posts from 2017 may be read here.

Posts prior to 2016 may be read here: ARCHIVE: SWU / VIP / eVIP Systemwide Upgrade questions

NOTE: This thread is for the discussion of the mechanics of AA systemwide upgrades. For "chance of upgrade clearing" questions, please use this thread: 2015 Chances of Upgrade Clearing and Upgrade Availability Discussion (consolidated)

Please note there is a separate thread discussing lost / missing/ misappropriated SWUs:

Missing / someone else used / unauthorized use my SWU / VIP / eVIP (merged)

American AAdvantage Forum Moderator Team


FAQ: Internal IT changes eliminate 90+% of post-expiry SWU use 26 Jun 2014
Q. I've been able to encumber expiring SWU past their expiration date if I find the proper upgrade inventory available prior to that date. Is this feature still available to Executive Platinum members?

A. Not for most. The option was possible due to software limitations. New software, AAcoRN, put into place 26 June 2014, will prevent this from occurring for "unqualified" members; only "qualified" members will be allowed to encumber SWU past their expiry date in the future. (See post #1)

Q. How do I know if I am a "qualified" member?

A. You can try to call and encumber expiring SWU past their expiry. If you are not allowed to, you aren't.

Q. So, exactly who does AA consider "qualified"?

A. A very high value AAdvantage member, as measured by the internal "Helix" system, which assigns an "Eagles" ranking from 1 to 5 (the more, the better).

Q. I've never heard of this. When did it start?

A. AA's rating system was originally based on three colors, green, yellow and red, which changed to 1-3 Eagles and was later expanded to 1-5 Eagles.

Q. How are Eagles scores assigned? Are they static, or do they change?

A. It has been said spend and fare classes (think lots of annual travel in fare classes of D and above) may affect your Eagles score, as well as OSO and negative incidents you have experienced that might result in your moving your custom to another airline. It is also said your Helix score is updated periodically, perhaps even nightly.

Q. How can I find out my Helix score / how many Eagles I have?

A. You can't. AA employees are not empowered to discuss the Helix system with customers. If you normally get extra SWU once you've made EP, are allowed to extend SWU use and find EP desk agents are willing to bend rules for you often, speculative, you might have 4-5 Eagles rating.

Q. So, this is a hidden tier higher than Executive Platinum?

A. No, because it doesn't give you privileges beyond EP beyond those mentioned, e.g. courtesy Club membership or additional priority for boarding or upgrades, like Concierge Key may.

Q. Do others than Executive Platinum have Helix / Eagles scores?

A. It can be safely assumed all AAdvantage members have such scores.

For further information, see discussions on:

JonNYC's Traveing Better

The Boarding Area

Thanks to JonNYC for most of the information available to the public on this topic.

Updated 6 Oct 2016 - JDiver
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Old May 23, 18, 3:28 pm
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I had requested a SWU via the EXP desk. At the airport I was #4 on the waitlist, so I asked the gate agent to confirm if my SWU request had been registered. She didn't know what a Systemwide Upgrade is, but told me 3 "VIP" upgrades are in front of me so all is as it should be.
What are those VIP upgrades? Is that a real thing?
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Old May 23, 18, 5:22 pm
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SWU = VIP upgrade
SWU is a new name of VIP upgrade, I believe.
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Old May 26, 18, 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by MrJBoy View Post
SWU = VIP upgrade
SWU is a new name of VIP upgrade, I believe.
NEW ? It has been at least 4 years or more I think :-)
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Old May 26, 18, 8:27 am
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I had a similar thing happen to me on a GRU-MIA-BOS itinerary last summer. The SWU for the GRU-MIA portion cleared a month in advance, and I was waitlisted for the MIA-BOS segment. Upon equipment swap from an International-configured 757 to a 24-seat domestic First-configured 757, the SWU for the domestic cleared about three hours before departure, but when it did, it listed as "Complimentary" rather than "Systemwide Upgrade."

All's well that ends well, but the concern is if, on the airport upgrade list, the SWU request isn't carrying over, and it's waitlisting at the airport as a Complimentary upgrade, therefore putting someone lower on the list than they would otherwise be with the SWU request properly put in place. Not sure if that's what happened, or if the agent clearing the upgrades at the airport just opened R space and cleared the list in order.
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Old May 26, 18, 11:44 am
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Cleared upgrade for DFW-KEF in November using a friendís SWUs as a PPro. Should hit EP sometime in August...will I be able to change the funding source of those SWUs to my account?
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Old May 30, 18, 1:31 am
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Old May 30, 18, 5:50 am
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Originally Posted by MichaelKade View Post
Cleared upgrade for DFW-KEF in November using a friendís SWUs as a PPro. Should hit EP sometime in August...will I be able to change the funding source of those SWUs to my account?
SWUs are pulled from the account (generally speaking) at the time the upgrade clears, not at the time of the flight. So the SWU has already been pulled from your friends account.

The only workaround to do what you're trying to do would be to call AAdvantage Customer Service and have the original upgrade cancelled/removed and put back in your friend's account. You could then re-request the upgrade with your new SWUs. The one huge caveat here is upgrade space, it would still need to be available when you do this in order to go straight back into J and not just on the waitlist.
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Old May 30, 18, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by MichaelKade View Post
Cleared upgrade for DFW-KEF in November using a friendís SWUs as a PPro. Should hit EP sometime in August...will I be able to change the funding source of those SWUs to my account?
Technically, I believe once the SWU has been gifted, it is moved to your account. I also believe the gifting process must be tied to a booked flight. I have experienced a major foul up by AA where a SWU was not processed properly and they tried taking one from my account years later once I hit EXP. It took several calls and an inventive EXP agent to put things right.

I would suggest to inform your friend you wish to pay-back the gesture and offer to apply one of your SWUs to a future flight for them.
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Old May 30, 18, 9:38 am
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I donít believe it is moved to your account. It is pulled from the sponsorís account and applied to a PNR.

I have switched upgrade types - from a BXP to SWU and VV. So they can move types. I would try asking if they would change where the SWU is coming from. If not, just sponsor a SWU, when received, for one of their trips.

Originally Posted by RogerD408 View Post
Technically, I believe once the SWU has been gifted, it is moved to your account. I also believe the gifting process must be tied to a booked flight. I have experienced a major foul up by AA where a SWU was not processed properly and they tried taking one from my account years later once I hit EXP. It took several calls and an inventive EXP agent to put things right.

I would suggest to inform your friend you wish to pay-back the gesture and offer to apply one of your SWUs to a future flight for them.
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Old Jun 4, 18, 7:42 pm
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Can SWU be applied to a milesaaver award ticket if you are EXP?
I know folks said no .. but the wiki says yes. Anyone have any idea?
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Old Jun 4, 18, 7:49 pm
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I know folks said no .. but the wiki says yes. Anyone have any idea?
Where are you seeing this in the wiki? You cannot upgrade an award ticket with a SWU. The wiki specifically states that AAdvantage free or promotion tickets are invalid for using SWUs.

Edit: I now see what you're probably referring to, no idea where that came from other that it could possibly be language carried over from complimentary domestic upgrades which can now be used on award tickets for EXPs. The above stands though.
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Old Jun 4, 18, 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by JJeffrey View Post
Where are you seeing this in the wiki? You cannot upgrade an award ticket with a SWU. The wiki specifically states that AAdvantage free or promotion tickets are invalid for using SWUs.

Edit: I now see what you're probably referring to, no idea where that came from other that it could possibly be language carried over from complimentary domestic upgrades which can now be used on award tickets for EXPs. The above stands though.
yep. Thanks for the insight. Referencing this:
  • Award tickets other than for EXP
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Old Jun 5, 18, 10:02 am
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No. See AA.com

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I know folks said no .. but the wiki says yes. Anyone have any idea?
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Old Jun 7, 18, 8:40 pm
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The wiki notes that you'll see in your booking that a Systemeide Upgrade had been requested from 2-3 days out. I requested one today, 11 days out and it's already visible. Any reason not the edit the wiki? Has the process changed?
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Old Jun 13, 18, 5:07 am
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I booked a trip BTV PVG, PEK BTV in Dec 18 and March 19.

The inbound is as follows: PEK DFW CLT DCA BTV with C=1.

I called Exe Plat desk to confirm the upgrade on PEK DFW (and also waitlist for outbound).
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The desk needed to call tariff but eventually it was done. However, when I checked my ticket.
PEK DFW and DCA BTV are both in C class while the rest is waitlisted.
At the same time, 1 SWU is drawn from my account.

My understanding is that one SWU is only good for 3 sectors. so my SWU should not have been applied to DCA BTV.

Should I call back to ask them to clarify as I dont want them to draw an extra SWU down the room for my DCA BTV upgrade.

what is your though?
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