Jun 18, 2015, 8:34 pm
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AA Begin Daily 787-8 LAX-HND Service 11 Feb 2016, DFW-HND on application
FORT WORTH, Texas, Nov. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines will offer customers daily, year-round, nonstop service to Tokyo's Haneda Airport (HND) from its trans-Pacific gateway at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) beginning Feb. 11, 2016. Customers can book travel on the new route starting Sunday, Nov. 8. American recently secured takeoff and landing time slots at Haneda Airport from the Japanese aviation authorities, which will allow the commencement of the flight.
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
Link to Dallas a Morning News Aviation Blog article on DFW-HND application, 4 Apr 2016
Please see this archived thread for posts relating to AA statement of intent and delays.
Previously (as posted by Exec_Plat), wandering_fred and ashill:
DOT Docket is DOT-OST-2010-0018
AA's application to fly LAX-HND (and motion to transfer DL's authority to fly SEA-LAX) is document DOT-OST-2010-0018-0384
On June 14, 2015, the DOT ruled that Delta would retain the HND slot for use on SEA-HND with dormancy conditions that require Delta to operate the flight every day of the year.
On June 17, 2015, Delta notified the DOT in a letter that it would "determined that it is not commercially feasible to operate the slots allocated to Delta for Seattle-Haneda service on a consistent daily basis year-round". The last Delta SEA-HND flight will operate on September 30, 2015. Delta will return the slots to the DOT on October 1, 2015, at which point the slots will automatically revert to American.
American service on LAX-HND could begin (err rather could have begun) as early as October 1, 2015.
While DOT has granted rights to AA, the actual time slots in which AA can arrive and depart HND are subject to negotiation with HND and other carriers.
- It is not clear that DL had slots every day of the year, and in fact DL may have been required to surrender the slots on August 15, 2015.
- AA needs to secure daily slots for HND, however the annual winter 2015 (W15) slot conference was on June 23, 2015, only a few days after DL notified DOT they would surrender the route.
- It is unknown when AA will acquire new time slots. Purportedly the IATA slot conference for S15 will be 10-12 November. Going by the published calendar Oct 8 begins this activity: https://www.iata.org/events/Document...activities.pdf
-There may be some motion with daytime slots (Aviationweek):
The U.S. Transportation Department (DOT) recently briefed U.S. carriers on the Japanese proposal, several people familiar with the matter told Aviation Daily. As it is currently understood, the proposal would shift some of the slots available to U.S. carriers to daytime hours. It may also include one additional slot pair, which would likely not be for a daily flight
AA Daily LAX-HND Service Feb 2016 w/ 787-8, applies DFW-HND
Nov 10, 2015, 10:56 am
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The main issue with a 2300 HND arrival is that almost all public transport stops just after midnight, leaving only a handful of night buses.
If you hit any sort of delay with reaching the train or monorail stations ground side, you could very well be stuck with a very expensive taxi or sitting around for upwards of 2 or 3 hours for a bus going somewhere close to where you want to be.
If you hit any sort of delay with reaching the train or monorail stations ground side, you could very well be stuck with a very expensive taxi or sitting around for upwards of 2 or 3 hours for a bus going somewhere close to where you want to be.
http://www.heiwajima-onsen.jp/en/index.html
http://www.heiwajima-onsen.jp/en/images/nb201501en.pdf
For 3800 JPY, it's not a bad deal to get a bath and breakfast to kill time until the trains start running again.
It's also not on the QR English page, but QR has a Japanese "Welcome back to late night HND arrival campaign" for all passengers on QR812 DOH-HND (HND arrival 22:45) to reserve a free stay at Heiwajima Onsen. Perhaps AA can reach a similar deal as well.
Nov 14, 2015, 11:37 pm
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Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
Nov 15, 2015, 12:24 am
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Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
Sometimes the staff lets me through as a JL elite when flying on another OW carrier, but it is not the rules and it is rare. Also, I have had the JAL staff working on QR check in escort me through the crew line when flying QR business class. QR business does not give access, only their Gold and Platinum members.
Nov 15, 2015, 6:17 am
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Hopefully this will change the priority security lane for Haneda to allow AA elites. As of now, flying on a JL flight as a OW elite doesn't get you priority security lane access. You have to have JL, BA, etc elite status. I wish I had taken a picture of the sign for the priority lane when I was there. No alliance access, airline specific only.
I used that lane in September flying Premium Economy on QF26 with QF Plat status.
I'm connecting ITM-HND-SIN tomorrow. If I remember/have time, I'll look at the signs in detail.
Nov 15, 2015, 6:52 am
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Back when AA was flying JFK-HND the priority lane did not exist.
Nov 15, 2015, 7:40 am
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If flying to Tokyo or connecting, I'll continue to fly into NRT so I can either 1) get into town at a reasonable hour and have dinner and get some rest before midnight, or 2) enjoy longer connection times to either take a shower at NRT, or even go to Tokyo, have dinner and connect later at HND depending on the situation.
I would consider the HND flight back home, except it is on the 788. Not my favorite by any means. When traveling with my wife, I prefer an old 772 before that plane..
I would consider the HND flight back home, except it is on the 788. Not my favorite by any means. When traveling with my wife, I prefer an old 772 before that plane..
Nov 15, 2015, 5:34 pm
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Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
Nov 15, 2015, 8:18 pm
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Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
Nov 16, 2015, 12:19 am
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Just went through HND international security. The sign lists AC, AF, NH, BA, CX, DL, KA, JL, KE, LH, QR, SQ, TG, UA, CI, BR and GA and noting F (for those airlines with First class) and the higher FF tiers for each.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
That said, they let me use it with a JL J boarding pass and QF status - neither of which is mentioned on the sign.
Nov 16, 2015, 3:06 am
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Nov 27, 2015, 3:51 pm
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American Keeps Tokyo Route as Regulators Reject Delta Claim
American Airlines Group Inc. will keep the right to fly between Los Angeles and Tokyo’s Haneda airport, after federal regulators rejected claims by Delta Air Lines Inc. that the privilege should be revoked because American failed to begin service quickly enough.
American has until March 27 to begin the flights to Haneda airport, the U.S. Transportation Department ruled. The carrier said this month that it would begin daily service starting Feb. 11, after securing favorable arrival and departure times from Japanese officials.
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“The department finds nothing on the record to suggest that, despite a brief startup delay, the anticipated benefits of American’s Los Angeles-Haneda service -– benefits that led the department to award it this authority –- will not be forthcoming,” the Transportation Department said in a ruling issued Wednesday.
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American has until March 27 to begin the flights to Haneda airport, the U.S. Transportation Department ruled. The carrier said this month that it would begin daily service starting Feb. 11, after securing favorable arrival and departure times from Japanese officials.
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“The department finds nothing on the record to suggest that, despite a brief startup delay, the anticipated benefits of American’s Los Angeles-Haneda service -– benefits that led the department to award it this authority –- will not be forthcoming,” the Transportation Department said in a ruling issued Wednesday.
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Jan 22, 2016, 12:44 am
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Well it looks like the Japanese authorities are now making 5 daytime slot pairs available to U.S. carriers at HND. I'm sure AA (as well as UA and DL, and probably HA) will request one for each of their respective flights to HND. Once that happens, I wonder if AA will stick with the 788. Or upgauge it to a CIP 772 or a 77W. Moreover, I wonder if they'll keep LAX-NRT.
Jan 22, 2016, 1:17 am
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The slot numbers are not quite decided, from what I understand. There were supposedly nine daytime slot pairs left over following the last international slot allocation, and most if not all of these were to be eventually used for US flights. It's possible that they are pushing for a 5:4 split so that DL gets 3 slots, JL and NH each get 2 and AA and UA each get 1. Thus there would be "parity" between DL and its two transpac JV competitors, each having four routes (including their existing night flights). Of course the JVs would have the massive advantage of feed beyond Tokyo, which DL does not have at the moment. Most likely, each faction will move its most competitive business routes (NYC, LAX, SFO, maybe ORD) to HND, while "fortress" routes like DFW stay at NRT.
I doubt that HA will go for a daytime slot, as the midnight departure time is just right for HNL flights. Maybe they would try KOA again, though.
I doubt that HA will go for a daytime slot, as the midnight departure time is just right for HNL flights. Maybe they would try KOA again, though.
Jan 22, 2016, 1:19 am
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Well it looks like the Japanese authorities are now making 5 daytime slot pairs available to U.S. carriers at HND. I'm sure AA (as well as UA and DL, and probably HA) will request one for each of their respective flights to HND. Once that happens, I wonder if AA will stick with the 788. Or upgauge it to a CIP 772 or a 77W. Moreover, I wonder if they'll keep LAX-NRT.