Jun 18, 2015, 8:34 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
AA Begin Daily 787-8 LAX-HND Service 11 Feb 2016, DFW-HND on application
FORT WORTH, Texas, Nov. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines will offer customers daily, year-round, nonstop service to Tokyo's Haneda Airport (HND) from its trans-Pacific gateway at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) beginning Feb. 11, 2016. Customers can book travel on the new route starting Sunday, Nov. 8. American recently secured takeoff and landing time slots at Haneda Airport from the Japanese aviation authorities, which will allow the commencement of the flight.
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
Link to Dallas a Morning News Aviation Blog article on DFW-HND application, 4 Apr 2016
Please see this archived thread for posts relating to AA statement of intent and delays.
Previously (as posted by Exec_Plat), wandering_fred and ashill:
DOT Docket is DOT-OST-2010-0018
AA's application to fly LAX-HND (and motion to transfer DL's authority to fly SEA-LAX) is document DOT-OST-2010-0018-0384
On June 14, 2015, the DOT ruled that Delta would retain the HND slot for use on SEA-HND with dormancy conditions that require Delta to operate the flight every day of the year.
On June 17, 2015, Delta notified the DOT in a letter that it would "determined that it is not commercially feasible to operate the slots allocated to Delta for Seattle-Haneda service on a consistent daily basis year-round". The last Delta SEA-HND flight will operate on September 30, 2015. Delta will return the slots to the DOT on October 1, 2015, at which point the slots will automatically revert to American.
American service on LAX-HND could begin (err rather could have begun) as early as October 1, 2015.
While DOT has granted rights to AA, the actual time slots in which AA can arrive and depart HND are subject to negotiation with HND and other carriers.
- It is not clear that DL had slots every day of the year, and in fact DL may have been required to surrender the slots on August 15, 2015.
- AA needs to secure daily slots for HND, however the annual winter 2015 (W15) slot conference was on June 23, 2015, only a few days after DL notified DOT they would surrender the route.
- It is unknown when AA will acquire new time slots. Purportedly the IATA slot conference for S15 will be 10-12 November. Going by the published calendar Oct 8 begins this activity: https://www.iata.org/events/Document...activities.pdf
-There may be some motion with daytime slots (Aviationweek):
The U.S. Transportation Department (DOT) recently briefed U.S. carriers on the Japanese proposal, several people familiar with the matter told Aviation Daily. As it is currently understood, the proposal would shift some of the slots available to U.S. carriers to daytime hours. It may also include one additional slot pair, which would likely not be for a daily flight
AA Daily LAX-HND Service Feb 2016 w/ 787-8, applies DFW-HND
May 16, 2016, 8:23 pm
#211
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I'd be shocked if AA added a NGO flight. If JAL is to restart NGO-Mainland US service, it'll be LAX-NGO. It's a testament to the local market of DTW that DL is able to support a NGO flight alone without connections on the NGO end.
May 16, 2016, 8:51 pm
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Agree that this would be a longshot. Unless AA picks up on a lot of their HND traffic going to intra-Japan destinations, it seems unlikely that they'd focus on anythhing other than TYO. After all, we all remember what happened to the KIX flight.
May 16, 2016, 9:27 pm
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. If Toyota wasn't all over the NGO area, that flight simply wouldn't exist.
May 16, 2016, 9:38 pm
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NH currently flies LAX-HND with a 4-class, 250 seat 77W with 8F, 52J, 24W/PE and 166Y. And that's with overnight flight times.
AA is incredibly proud of its 91% load factor on LAX-HND during its first two months, but that's evidence that it's using a too-small (and too premium-lite) airplane. AA has but 28 inferior J seats while NH has 60 premium seats on the same route.
As far as I know, NH does not have an AA-like generosity in the upgrade department, so either NH is selling a lot of premium seats on LAX-HND or it's losing its shirt. For the past year, NH has a load factor over 80% on its LAX-HND flight.
Personally, I think if they receive DFW-HND, an upgauge to a 77W is definitely a possibility with the othe DFW-NRT flight becoming a Dreamliner flight. AA is switching one DFW-NRT flight to a 289 seat reconfigured 772, leaving one flight selling F. Maybe I'm overestimating the yield potential of flying into HND and the Japanese market is no longer viable for AA to be offering F, letting JAL pick up the tab.
AA is planning on 787-8 for daytime LAX-HND and a 260 seat 772 for DFW-HND. When the 77W was first announced, it was announced NRT, HKG, LHR, and GRU would see these aircraft. However, that was before the decline of the Yen. But Japan's economic condition is leaps and bounds ahead of what Brazil is going through right now. Personally, if I was one of AA's lawyers lobbying for the two daytime HND slots, I would have advised applying for both utilising 77Ws due to their premium nature. But, as we've seen, aircraft in the applications does not translate to aircraft actually being operated on the route. Long term, I don't see a 787-8 on LAX-HND or a 260 seat 772 on DFW-HND, rather a mix of 787-9/A350-900 and possibly 77Ws if the yields are sufficient, which again I may be overestimating.
28 premium seats might be sufficient on a CLT-Europe A333, but it's clearly insufficient on LAX-HND.
With Toyota moving 3,000+ white collar jobs from Torrance to Plano, and another 1,000+ jobs from NY and KY to Plano, the time may be right for DFW-NGO. Easy connections to SAT, large corporate base at DFW, and a gigantic hub to help fill the plane with connections from another 150+ cities.
May 16, 2016, 10:16 pm
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. Lol. Yeah that didn't last long. Same with the NGO flight around the same time. FAIL
May 16, 2016, 10:58 pm
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Jun 21, 2016, 7:54 pm
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I'm flying AA27 and AA26. Wondering where to park. Across from terminal 4 or TBIT?
I assume AA27 departs from terminal 4 and AA26 arrives to TBIT. Is that correct?
ERQ
I assume AA27 departs from terminal 4 and AA26 arrives to TBIT. Is that correct?
ERQ
Jun 21, 2016, 11:28 pm
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Every time I've flown this route it's left from Gate 41 at LAX, arrived/departed from Gate 106 at HND and then arrived at TBIT back at LAX.
Jun 22, 2016, 7:11 am
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It changes all the time depending on gates available. I've seen it depart and arrive from both. But for arriving you'll always end up at TBIT since if the plane parks at T4 it means you'll go through the underground connector from T4 to TBIT to do customs and immigrations.
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Jun 23, 2016, 3:55 pm
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AA DFW - HND / Haneda (Dallas Morning News)
I was reading on Dallas Morning news that said AA is applying for DFW to Haneda airport. That makes sense since companies like Toyota are moving to dfw area and would be easy for execs to travel. What do you think?
Jun 23, 2016, 4:30 pm
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"In its filing, Fort Worth-based American touted the connectivity from D/FW airport to 104 U.S. cities and the growth or relocation of Japanese companies like Toyota in North Texas. The company proposed using a 247-passenger Boeing 777-200 on the D/FW route, which would depart at 10:55 a.m. and arrive at Haneda at 3:30 p.m. the following day."
Link to April 4, 2016 Dallas Morning News Aviation Blog article.
Link to April 4, 2016 Dallas Morning News Aviation Blog article.
Jun 23, 2016, 6:53 pm
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"In its filing, Fort Worth-based American touted the connectivity from D/FW airport to 104 U.S. cities and the growth or relocation of Japanese companies like Toyota in North Texas. The company proposed using a 247-passenger Boeing 777-200 on the D/FW route, which would depart at 10:55 a.m. and arrive at Haneda at 3:30 p.m. the following day."
Link to April 4, 2016 Dallas Morning News Aviation Blog article.
Link to April 4, 2016 Dallas Morning News Aviation Blog article.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/h...even-close.ece
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Jun 23, 2016, 10:52 pm
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Jdiver, this is an updated article regarding DFW to Haneda
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/h...even-close.ece
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/h...even-close.ece
As DFW-HND was already being discussed in this thread, we have merged. I've also added Dallas Morning News links to the Wikipost.
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Jun 25, 2016, 8:50 am
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For AA26, what is the earliest I can check the luggage with an agent at HND?
Trying to plan my arrival appropriately. I plan to tour the city during the day and then head to the airport late at night for a late dinner and a shower. I understand there are restaurants pre-security and showers at JAL lounge. (I believe I have access due to class of service.)
ERQ
Trying to plan my arrival appropriately. I plan to tour the city during the day and then head to the airport late at night for a late dinner and a shower. I understand there are restaurants pre-security and showers at JAL lounge. (I believe I have access due to class of service.)
ERQ