Jun 18, 2015, 8:34 pm
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AA Begin Daily 787-8 LAX-HND Service 11 Feb 2016, DFW-HND on application
FORT WORTH, Texas, Nov. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines will offer customers daily, year-round, nonstop service to Tokyo's Haneda Airport (HND) from its trans-Pacific gateway at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) beginning Feb. 11, 2016. Customers can book travel on the new route starting Sunday, Nov. 8. American recently secured takeoff and landing time slots at Haneda Airport from the Japanese aviation authorities, which will allow the commencement of the flight.
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
The new service will operate on the following daily schedule (all times local):
LAX-HND
AA27
Departs LAX at 6 p.m.
Arrives at HND at 11 p.m. the following day
HND-LAX
AA26
Departs HND at 1:30 a.m.
Arrives at LAX at 6:20 p.m. the previous day
Link
Link to Dallas a Morning News Aviation Blog article on DFW-HND application, 4 Apr 2016
Please see this archived thread for posts relating to AA statement of intent and delays.
Previously (as posted by Exec_Plat), wandering_fred and ashill:
DOT Docket is DOT-OST-2010-0018
AA's application to fly LAX-HND (and motion to transfer DL's authority to fly SEA-LAX) is document DOT-OST-2010-0018-0384
On June 14, 2015, the DOT ruled that Delta would retain the HND slot for use on SEA-HND with dormancy conditions that require Delta to operate the flight every day of the year.
On June 17, 2015, Delta notified the DOT in a letter that it would "determined that it is not commercially feasible to operate the slots allocated to Delta for Seattle-Haneda service on a consistent daily basis year-round". The last Delta SEA-HND flight will operate on September 30, 2015. Delta will return the slots to the DOT on October 1, 2015, at which point the slots will automatically revert to American.
American service on LAX-HND could begin (err rather could have begun) as early as October 1, 2015.
While DOT has granted rights to AA, the actual time slots in which AA can arrive and depart HND are subject to negotiation with HND and other carriers.
- It is not clear that DL had slots every day of the year, and in fact DL may have been required to surrender the slots on August 15, 2015.
- AA needs to secure daily slots for HND, however the annual winter 2015 (W15) slot conference was on June 23, 2015, only a few days after DL notified DOT they would surrender the route.
- It is unknown when AA will acquire new time slots. Purportedly the IATA slot conference for S15 will be 10-12 November. Going by the published calendar Oct 8 begins this activity: https://www.iata.org/events/Document...activities.pdf
-There may be some motion with daytime slots (Aviationweek):
The U.S. Transportation Department (DOT) recently briefed U.S. carriers on the Japanese proposal, several people familiar with the matter told Aviation Daily. As it is currently understood, the proposal would shift some of the slots available to U.S. carriers to daytime hours. It may also include one additional slot pair, which would likely not be for a daily flight
AA Daily LAX-HND Service Feb 2016 w/ 787-8, applies DFW-HND
Feb 11, 2016, 10:40 pm
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Definitely not the third flight for 8AN. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N812AA/history
Feb 13, 2016, 12:05 am
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This route next month will my first trip on the AA 787. Looking forward to trying out both the J on the plane and the convenience to downtown Tokyo despite the relatively bad arrival and departure times at HND. They service will be the typical mediocre AA i all ready know but curious if the 787 really does ease jet lag as claimed.
Feb 13, 2016, 7:18 am
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I haven't flown internationally on the AA 787 yet (taking it to PEK next month), but I was very impressed with the lack of jet lag when I flew SJC-NRT on the NH 788. I usually drink a ton of water on a 777, 747, etc and still get dried out, but I felt the complete opposite when I flew NH. Some of the best sleep I've ever had on a TPAC (aside from NH square F!).
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I'm considering flying this flight because of the current 20K mile promo for a return trip (in J). Am I correct to assume it stacks with the "additional bonus miles" promo? http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/aadvanta...itle=moremiles
So in this case, would a simple HND-LAX-HND flight booked on AA stock and operated by AA earn the following miles?
* 10,976 miles base
* 10,976 miles EXP bonus
* 5,488 COS bonus
* 20,000 bonus miles
* 2x 12,000 "long flight" bonus
Total 71,440 miles. Is my math off or is that basically an F ticket out of a single trip?
So in this case, would a simple HND-LAX-HND flight booked on AA stock and operated by AA earn the following miles?
* 10,976 miles base
* 10,976 miles EXP bonus
* 5,488 COS bonus
* 20,000 bonus miles
* 2x 12,000 "long flight" bonus
Total 71,440 miles. Is my math off or is that basically an F ticket out of a single trip?
Feb 13, 2016, 8:39 am
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I'm considering flying this flight because of the current 20K mile promo for a return trip (in J). Am I correct to assume it stacks with the "additional bonus miles" promo? http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/aadvanta...itle=moremiles
So in this case, would a simple HND-LAX-HND flight booked on AA stock and operated by AA earn the following miles?
* 10,976 miles base
* 10,976 miles EXP bonus
* 5,488 COS bonus
* 20,000 bonus miles
* 2x 12,000 "long flight" bonus
Total 71,440 miles. Is my math off or is that basically an F ticket out of a single trip?
So in this case, would a simple HND-LAX-HND flight booked on AA stock and operated by AA earn the following miles?
* 10,976 miles base
* 10,976 miles EXP bonus
* 5,488 COS bonus
* 20,000 bonus miles
* 2x 12,000 "long flight" bonus
Total 71,440 miles. Is my math off or is that basically an F ticket out of a single trip?
Yep, as long as you're not booked in I, otherwise it would be 2x 3,500 in terms of the bonus for a total of 54,440 rdm.
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http://www.traicy.com/20160217-AAqa in Japanese...
For the HND daytime slots, AA seems to want to fly HND-East coast not HND-LAX...
AA wants to keep NRT for passengers to connect to Asia by JAL but he didn't mention if AA wants to keep LAX-NRT in the future. At this moment AA just wants to keep both LAX-HND and LAX-NRT to solve the late arrival issue at HND.
For the HND daytime slots, AA seems to want to fly HND-East coast not HND-LAX...
AA wants to keep NRT for passengers to connect to Asia by JAL but he didn't mention if AA wants to keep LAX-NRT in the future. At this moment AA just wants to keep both LAX-HND and LAX-NRT to solve the late arrival issue at HND.
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Significant Update in Haneda slots.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/japan-...-idUKL3N15X3TP
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...101819328.html
Big big news for Haneda slots. The agreement is now a done deal, sorry DL, for daytime slots for HND. The four current slots will become daytime and there will be one new daytime flight allocated and one nighttime flight allocated. (Who would want to operate this flight besides HAL's proposed KOA-HND?) The new slots will become available at the end of October, per the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism. I expect a big fight over the one new daytime slot and I'd say UA is the favourite due to DL/AA's troubles at HND and UA's record of operating SFO-HND consistently since they were awarded the route.
The previous post mentioned AA would be interested in adding an east coast slot. Perhaps the return of JFK-HND on AA metal if approved? AA's initial press release only indicated they were pleased with operating LAX-HND during the daytime this fall. Could we see an equipment change on this route? Big picture, what is AA's future in Japan, especially if they are approved for a second HND flight? Does AA really need all that capacity on DFW-NRT, especially with the additions of DFW-ICN/PEK/PVG-HKG all within the last three years? Maybe JAL switches DFW-NRT to DFW-HND? I remember when it was announced that AA was going to order the 77W, NRT, along with HKG/LHR/GRU, were mentioned as destinations. Especially with one daytime HND flight, I find it hard to imagine that AA will end F class to Tokyo. Even with the weakened Yen, the currency has roughly stabilised for the past several months.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...101819328.html
Big big news for Haneda slots. The agreement is now a done deal, sorry DL, for daytime slots for HND. The four current slots will become daytime and there will be one new daytime flight allocated and one nighttime flight allocated. (Who would want to operate this flight besides HAL's proposed KOA-HND?) The new slots will become available at the end of October, per the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport, and Tourism. I expect a big fight over the one new daytime slot and I'd say UA is the favourite due to DL/AA's troubles at HND and UA's record of operating SFO-HND consistently since they were awarded the route.
The previous post mentioned AA would be interested in adding an east coast slot. Perhaps the return of JFK-HND on AA metal if approved? AA's initial press release only indicated they were pleased with operating LAX-HND during the daytime this fall. Could we see an equipment change on this route? Big picture, what is AA's future in Japan, especially if they are approved for a second HND flight? Does AA really need all that capacity on DFW-NRT, especially with the additions of DFW-ICN/PEK/PVG-HKG all within the last three years? Maybe JAL switches DFW-NRT to DFW-HND? I remember when it was announced that AA was going to order the 77W, NRT, along with HKG/LHR/GRU, were mentioned as destinations. Especially with one daytime HND flight, I find it hard to imagine that AA will end F class to Tokyo. Even with the weakened Yen, the currency has roughly stabilised for the past several months.
Last edited by Longboater; Feb 18, 2016 at 7:27 am Reason: Updated information