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hillrider Jun 9, 2014 6:49 am

LAA 2-class Airbus 321S / A321H (Sharklets) (master thread)
 
It has appeared as of 1AUG14 on the LAX-DFW (HT airlineroute.net).

It has 16F and 165Y, split between 35 MCE and 130 Y-.

That makes it 8.8% premium class seating, lower than the 738 (10.7%) and the M80 (11.4%), but at least it's higher than the 319 (a measly 6.3%).

No information about the seating pitch, i.e. if it's as crammed as the 319 or it's more like the 738 [although aren't those getting a new row for a crammed 30" pitch]?.

Note that the equipment code is currently "32B", but I believe that to be a mistake as that code is used for the 3-class transcon interior (and I hope to be correct otherwise it will be quite confusing).


MOD NOTE:

The A321 Transcon / A321T / "true" 32B thread is A321 Transcon / A321T / 32B enters service January 2014 (consolidated)

"32B" merely means an Airbus A321-200 aircraft with Sharklet wingtip extensions.

HNL Jun 9, 2014 7:02 am

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It's 16F not 18F

DWFI Jun 9, 2014 7:07 am

Unfortunate but not at all unexpected.

hillrider Jun 9, 2014 7:16 am


Originally Posted by HNL (Post 23001924)
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It's 16F not 18F

Yep. Can't count. Fixing post next.

austin_res Jun 9, 2014 7:58 am


Originally Posted by hillrider (Post 23001870)
It has 16F and 165Y, split between 35 MCE and 130 Y-.

That makes it 8.8% premium class seating, lower than the 738 (10.7%) and the M80 (11.4%), but at least it's higher than the 319 (a measly 6.3%).

No information about the seating pitch, i.e. if it's as crammed as the 319 or it's more like the 738 [although aren't those getting a new row for a crammed 30" pitch]?.

It's the US configuration with 1 row removed, to allow MCE. According to Seat Guru, Y has 32" pitch on the US A321. http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/US_...irbus_A321.php

SJC AA Jun 9, 2014 8:54 am

Seat map is on AA.com, e.g. AA170 LAX-LAS (yes, on such a short flight).

FC is the same as the US Airways seat map.

Economy is a bit different. One fewer row in front of the first exit, and then different row numbering for the A-B-C side between the first and second exit.

I think something funny may be happening with staggering rows, because row 13 is being sold as MCE only on the A-B-C side and not the D-E-F side.

I count 36 MCE seats, not 35. Still quite low.

SJC AA Jun 9, 2014 8:57 am

And here's something odd: infinite-legroom seats 25A and 25F on AA, which correspond to 23A and 23F on US, and which Seatguru rates as the best seats on the US plane, are not only not MCE, but are not even preferred or reserved for elites on AA. They're just ordinary seats that anyone can apparently pick.

AAerSTL Jun 9, 2014 8:59 am

Standalone AA plan was 20F

AANYC1981 Jun 9, 2014 10:12 am

Even DL will have 20F on their A321s

FWAAA Jun 9, 2014 10:30 am


Originally Posted by AAerSTL (Post 23002547)
Standalone AA plan was 20F

Actually, the stand-alone AA plan was 24F/150Y. That changed when Parker and Kirby held a townhall meeting last June in DFW and told AA employees that AA would have to reevaluate seating density decisions.

imapilotaz Jun 9, 2014 10:36 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 23003104)
Actually, the stand-alone AA plan was 24F/150Y. That changed when Parker and Kirby held a townhall meeting last June in DFW and told AA employees that AA would have to reevaluate seating density decisions.

What I love is that some moron in Corporate Finance actually thought that it makes sense (beyond on a spreadsheet) to have 12 F seats on a 76-seat aircraft and 16 F seats on a 181 seat aircraft. (Yes I understand scope better than probably anyone on here, but I'm just saying).

Some of the density decisions are good (777-200s needed more density) but I'm really concerned about the new Airbus products. It's going to get hard avoiding the Airbus aircraft in the new airline.

AAerSTL Jun 9, 2014 10:58 am


Originally Posted by imapilotaz (Post 23003138)
What I love is that some moron in Corporate Finance actually thought that it makes sense (beyond on a spreadsheet) to have 12 F seats on a 76-seat aircraft and 16 F seats on a 181 seat aircraft. (Yes I understand scope better than probably anyone on here, but I'm just saying).

Some of the density decisions are good (777-200s needed more density) but I'm really concerned about the new Airbus products. It's going to get hard avoiding the Airbus aircraft in the new airline.

The additional F seats on the CR7/CR9/E75 are there to get those aircraft to the magic number (76 seats) per the pilot scope clause, not to optimize revenue. If USdbaAA could operate those with fewer F seats and still use the lower paid regional crews they would happily do so

jimyvr Jun 9, 2014 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by hillrider (Post 23001870)
Note that the equipment code is currently "32B", but I believe that to be a mistake as that code is used for the 3-class transcon interior (and I hope to be correct otherwise it will be quite confusing).

Why would it be a mistake when 32B refers to Airbus A321 Sharklets?

beerup Jun 9, 2014 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by jimyvr (Post 23003780)
Why would it be a mistake when 32B refers to Airbus A321 Sharklets?

Because AA uses different designators when the same aircraft has major differences in the configuration. The 752 is designated "757" for the 22/24 F seat version and 75L for the 16 NGBC seat version.

jimyvr Jun 9, 2014 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by beerup (Post 23004098)
Because AA uses different designators when the same aircraft has major differences in the configuration. The 752 is designated "757" for the 22/24 F seat version and 75L for the 16 NGBC seat version.

Yes but that is for internal use. You don't see those internal codes appearing in the GDS, unless it's done by accident.


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