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MQ (now called Envoy) will be shrinking dramatically
Envoy will be parking 59 ERJ140s and will transfer the 47 CRJ700s away from Envoy to a different regional operator. Accordingly, furloughs/layoffs will soon follow. I hope the MQ pilots flee quickly and move their skills to mainline airlines.
With American parking regional aircraft, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots American Airlines Group has told Envoy Air's pilots union it plans to park 59 small regional jets and transfer 47 larger regional jets away from its subsidiary carrier. As a result, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots than it has today, the Air Line Pilots Association said in a note to pilots on Thursday. My prediction is that Parker will soon regret the day that he and Scooter demanded pay and benefit concessions from the MQ pilots on the heels of their bankruptcy-induced concessions. Experienced pilots with 1,500+ hours are currently in short-supply. With Republic pilots recently rejecting a contract containing pay raises (no concessions), MQ may not have enough pilots to fly its schedule in very short order. |
No doubt the most recent Envoy issue is gonna shake things up a bit -- next month or so will be interesting.
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I know this is vastly oversimplifying, buuut: after turning a record profit for 1Q 2014, AAG still wants to freeze MQ pilots' pay? Why? Because they can't afford anything else? :confused:
I don't think Fabregas and the rest of the clowns in management have a leg to stand on when they're crowing about record quarterly profits. |
Originally Posted by flyingmusicianlax
(Post 22812871)
I know this is vastly oversimplifying, buuut: after turning a record profit for 1Q 2014, AAG still wants to freeze MQ pilots' pay? Why? Because they can't afford anything else? :confused:
I don't think Fabregas and the rest of the clowns in management have a leg to stand on when they're crowing about record quarterly profits. AA, to clarify the arrangement, has had MQ move its headquarters from AA HDQ's floor 4 to Irving north of DFW airport. |
Four posts that were made in another now-closed thread have been moved here.
Please feel free to discuss the facts of the MQ shrinkage in this thread, but discussion, debate and speculation about the labor issues surrounding this should occur only in the following thread: Dedicated thread for RESPECTFUL discussion of AA labor contract issues (consolidated) This will follow the same model that was in use in the pre-merger AA forum. It may change over time as new approaches are devised, but for now this will be the best way to ensure that fact-based threads aren't mired in union debate. ~Moderator |
This is not just an Envoy issue. Republic pilots (who now fly under the Eagle brand) recently rejected a contract that had pay *increases*. AA/US may say they want to put new planes at Piedmont, but Piedmont is currently a very small operation on the flight side and those pilots would undoubtedly demand a pay increase to fly the bigger planes.
There are government forces at work (higher flight time requirement) and there are also market forces at work (~4-5 years ago during the height of the recession a lot of young people consciously made the decision not to pursue a career as an airline pilot because the pay and working conditions were bad and they did not want to or could not take out loans to pay for their training). Interestingly, the government forces are magnifying the market forces, not the reverse. As a result, pilots at regional airlines are in a better position than they have been in a long time. It is not necessarily a union/non-union thing---if there is a glut of pilots even the best union is going to be pretty useless, and if there is a shortage, even the most incompetent union will be able to win a pay raise. Moving the aircraft from one regional to another is just buying time on AA's part. I think over the next few years we will finally actually see a shift toward more mainline. |
Will these 59 ERDs being parked be the entirety of the Eagle ERD fleet? I for one won't mind them going as long as RDU-JFK gets a suitable replacement.
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IIRC, all the ERDs (ERJ-140s) are slated to go.
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MQ (now called Envoy) will be shrinking dramatically
This is the punishment that AA promised to the MQ pilots for not agreeing to their first "last best" contract a few months ago.
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God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....
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Originally Posted by wetrat0
(Post 22889142)
This is not just an Envoy issue. Republic pilots (who now fly under the Eagle brand) recently rejected a contract that had pay *increases*. AA/US may say they want to put new planes at Piedmont, but Piedmont is currently a very small operation on the flight side and those pilots would undoubtedly demand a pay increase to fly the bigger planes.
I did not begin this thread despite outward appearances that I was the OP. The first post in this thread was a continuation of a substantial discussion from another thread about Parker's demand for concessions from MQ pilots and the recent rejection by Republic's pilots that was not concessionary - it contained pay raises. Here is the now-closed thread that contains the background: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...-shortage.html |
Originally Posted by tegelad
(Post 22895192)
God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....
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XNA to LAX direct Changing regional carrier
8/18/2014 AA2913 Operated by Envoy Air RJ 700 8/19/2014 AA5517 Operated by US Express mesa RJ900 |
Originally Posted by Satblaster
(Post 22901286)
XNA to LAX direct Changing regional carrier
8/18/2014 AA2913 Operated by Envoy Air RJ 700 8/19/2014 AA5517 Operated by US Express mesa RJ900 |
Originally Posted by tegelad
(Post 22895192)
God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....
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