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FWAAA May 2, 2014 12:02 pm

MQ (now called Envoy) will be shrinking dramatically
 
Envoy will be parking 59 ERJ140s and will transfer the 47 CRJ700s away from Envoy to a different regional operator. Accordingly, furloughs/layoffs will soon follow. I hope the MQ pilots flee quickly and move their skills to mainline airlines.


With American parking regional aircraft, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots

American Airlines Group has told Envoy Air's pilots union it plans to park 59 small regional jets and transfer 47 larger regional jets away from its subsidiary carrier.

As a result, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots than it has today, the Air Line Pilots Association said in a note to pilots on Thursday.
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...er-pilots.html

My prediction is that Parker will soon regret the day that he and Scooter demanded pay and benefit concessions from the MQ pilots on the heels of their bankruptcy-induced concessions. Experienced pilots with 1,500+ hours are currently in short-supply. With Republic pilots recently rejecting a contract containing pay raises (no concessions), MQ may not have enough pilots to fly its schedule in very short order.

CaptRobPhD May 5, 2014 8:52 am

No doubt the most recent Envoy issue is gonna shake things up a bit -- next month or so will be interesting.

flyingmusicianlax May 5, 2014 9:00 am

I know this is vastly oversimplifying, buuut: after turning a record profit for 1Q 2014, AAG still wants to freeze MQ pilots' pay? Why? Because they can't afford anything else? :confused:

I don't think Fabregas and the rest of the clowns in management have a leg to stand on when they're crowing about record quarterly profits.

imapilotaz May 5, 2014 9:41 am


Originally Posted by flyingmusicianlax (Post 22812871)
I know this is vastly oversimplifying, buuut: after turning a record profit for 1Q 2014, AAG still wants to freeze MQ pilots' pay? Why? Because they can't afford anything else? :confused:

I don't think Fabregas and the rest of the clowns in management have a leg to stand on when they're crowing about record quarterly profits.

Clarification... Mr Fabregas has nothing to do with their contract with AA. AA has a ACMI contract with MQ to operate under certain provisions. In order to hand over the other flying, AA told MQ this would be your new rates (which would be needed by having a concessionary contract). Mr Fabregas is just the middleman in this, handing over the details of the deal imposed by AA management to the relevant work groups.

AA, to clarify the arrangement, has had MQ move its headquarters from AA HDQ's floor 4 to Irving north of DFW airport.

Microwave May 19, 2014 10:32 am

Four posts that were made in another now-closed thread have been moved here.

Please feel free to discuss the facts of the MQ shrinkage in this thread, but discussion, debate and speculation about the labor issues surrounding this should occur only in the following thread:

Dedicated thread for RESPECTFUL discussion of AA labor contract issues (consolidated)

This will follow the same model that was in use in the pre-merger AA forum. It may change over time as new approaches are devised, but for now this will be the best way to ensure that fact-based threads aren't mired in union debate.

~Moderator

wetrat0 May 19, 2014 10:55 am

This is not just an Envoy issue. Republic pilots (who now fly under the Eagle brand) recently rejected a contract that had pay *increases*. AA/US may say they want to put new planes at Piedmont, but Piedmont is currently a very small operation on the flight side and those pilots would undoubtedly demand a pay increase to fly the bigger planes.

There are government forces at work (higher flight time requirement) and there are also market forces at work (~4-5 years ago during the height of the recession a lot of young people consciously made the decision not to pursue a career as an airline pilot because the pay and working conditions were bad and they did not want to or could not take out loans to pay for their training). Interestingly, the government forces are magnifying the market forces, not the reverse. As a result, pilots at regional airlines are in a better position than they have been in a long time. It is not necessarily a union/non-union thing---if there is a glut of pilots even the best union is going to be pretty useless, and if there is a shortage, even the most incompetent union will be able to win a pay raise.

Moving the aircraft from one regional to another is just buying time on AA's part. I think over the next few years we will finally actually see a shift toward more mainline.

CMK10 May 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Will these 59 ERDs being parked be the entirety of the Eagle ERD fleet? I for one won't mind them going as long as RDU-JFK gets a suitable replacement.

3Cforme May 19, 2014 7:41 pm

IIRC, all the ERDs (ERJ-140s) are slated to go.

Pucnit May 19, 2014 7:56 pm

MQ (now called Envoy) will be shrinking dramatically
 
This is the punishment that AA promised to the MQ pilots for not agreeing to their first "last best" contract a few months ago.

tegelad May 20, 2014 11:24 am

God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....

+-ADT

FWAAA May 20, 2014 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by wetrat0 (Post 22889142)
This is not just an Envoy issue. Republic pilots (who now fly under the Eagle brand) recently rejected a contract that had pay *increases*. AA/US may say they want to put new planes at Piedmont, but Piedmont is currently a very small operation on the flight side and those pilots would undoubtedly demand a pay increase to fly the bigger planes.

Agreed.

I did not begin this thread despite outward appearances that I was the OP. The first post in this thread was a continuation of a substantial discussion from another thread about Parker's demand for concessions from MQ pilots and the recent rejection by Republic's pilots that was not concessionary - it contained pay raises. Here is the now-closed thread that contains the background:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...-shortage.html

3Cforme May 20, 2014 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by tegelad (Post 22895192)
God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....

+-ADT

That's a possibility, but probably not for many flights. The point of eliminating the ER3s and ERDs is lowering per-seat cost. Some ERD flights will be upgaugaed to 50-seat ER4 or CR2 equipment; some to 65-seat CR7s; and some flights/routes losing frequency or eliminated if AA thinks larger aircraft will trash per-seat pricing.

Satblaster May 21, 2014 11:40 am

XNA to LAX direct Changing regional carrier
8/18/2014 AA2913 Operated by Envoy Air RJ 700
8/19/2014 AA5517 Operated by US Express mesa RJ900

CMK10 May 21, 2014 11:48 am


Originally Posted by Satblaster (Post 22901286)
XNA to LAX direct Changing regional carrier
8/18/2014 AA2913 Operated by Envoy Air RJ 700
8/19/2014 AA5517 Operated by US Express mesa RJ900

As long as there are reciprocal upgrades by then that could be a net positive, it's a larger F cabin and there are more exit rows if you miss the upgrade.

MaximusDamon May 21, 2014 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by tegelad (Post 22895192)
God I hope they don't replace the ERJ's with CRJ200 'i.e. the devil's chariots .....

+-ADT

^^ i HATE the Devil's Chariot!!! The CRJ-200s can't disappear fast enough for me. AANYTHING but the CRJ-200 PLEASE!!!


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