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Airbus A321T / 321T “32B” Transcon JFK <--> LAX / SFO Upgrade Success / Help

Airbus A321T / 321T “32B” Transcon JFK <--> LAX / SFO Upgrade Success / Help

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A321T / 321T / Transcontinental JFK to/from LAX & SFO: Upgrade Success & Assistance


American flies the transcontinental A321T with three classes including solo First and Business pairs that fully recline horizontally. (Note the "32B" designation applies to all Airbus A321-100 and -200 - aircraft with "Sharklets" blended winglets in accord with ICAO standards, including two and three class A321s used by AA.)

It appears demand in J is high, supply less so, making this a tricky upgrade from coach to business. First sometimes looks like there’s good availability until close to departure, and it’s common that this cabin is filled deadheading.

Upgrading is challenging, and Y to J SWU or miles + copay always trumps 500 mile or DODU / courtesy upgrades within an elite tier. (500 mile and courtesy upgrades from Business to First is not allowed).

Remember, upgrade priority for these flights is:
  • Elite status tier
  • SWU & miles and copay
  • Business Extra and “special corporate agency upgrade certificates”
  • 500 mile (“stickers”) and complimentary / DODU upgrades*
  • Award upgrades (CK, EXP, PRO)*
  • Last 12 months’ rolling EQD spend
  • Etc.
*Y to C/J only; C to F not allowed


Cabins will generally not be “rolled” forward (e.g. J to F) to accommodate upgrades.

Those confirmed in Flagship First on these (between JFK and LAX or SFO) can access Flagship Lounges as well as Flagship First Dining at JFK or LAX, or the Admirals Club at SFO (or the LAX TBIT Qantas First lounge).

Related threads:

Aircraft guide: Which Airbus A321? (including “321”, “32B”, A321neo)

A321 Transcon / A321T / "32B" 3 class began service Jan 2014 (consolidated)

Best Business / First seat on AA transcon Airbus A321 / A321T / "32B" (consolidated)

Best Economy / MCE seat on AA transcon Airbus A321 / A321T / 32B (consolidated)

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Old Jul 11, 19, 5:38 pm
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Originally Posted by LINDEGR View Post
Sadly, you will likely stay in coach. J will likely be in full with at most a token upgrade or two available. AA is happier to give F seats to its employees and let paying customers sit in coach. Sad!
What makes this complaint so disingenuous is it isn't even AA specific. Upgrades for one cabin class (Y to J OR J to F) using an instrument is an industry standard. I am not aware of any airline on earth where there is an upgrade instrument that will get you from Y to F when there is a J cabin. Nor am I aware of any airline that advertises complimentary J to F upgrades for elites as an elite benefit (complimentary Y to J is only a common program benefit on US domestic flights).

This should be filed under the "least substantive thing you can complain about" thread.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by wetrat0 View Post
What makes this complaint so disingenuous is it isn't even AA specific. Upgrades for one cabin class (Y to J OR J to F) using an instrument is an industry standard. I am not aware of any airline on earth where there is an upgrade instrument that will get you from Y to F when there is a J cabin. Nor am I aware of any airline that advertises complimentary J to F upgrades for elites as an elite benefit (complimentary Y to J is only a common program benefit on US domestic flights).

This should be filed under the "least substantive thing you can complain about" thread.
Even better, AA should stop selling J and F and just give them out for free. You, know, just cause.

AA actually has a very generous transcon upgrade policy, so for all their warts, this isnt where I would be complaining.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 9:01 pm
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Is multiple FAs stopping by to chat with a (fairly young by flyertalk standards) pax in F cabin on a three-cabin flight for several minutes at cruising altitude a good indicator that the pax is an airline employee who was handed down the F seat by AA?
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Old Jul 11, 19, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by flyinggum View Post
Is multiple FAs stopping by to chat with a (fairly young by flyertalk standards) pax in F cabin on a three-cabin flight for several minutes at cruising altitude a good indicator that the pax is an airline employee who was handed down the F seat by AA?
Could be a non-rev (not necessarily an employee) or a frequent F customer. I'd hesitate to use the phrase "handed down" as it suggests a giveaway of some sort rather than a perk offered in accordance with company policy only when there are no revenue passengers willing to purchase the product.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:06 am
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Originally Posted by wetrat0 View Post
What makes this complaint so disingenuous is it isn't even AA specific. Upgrades for one cabin class (Y to J OR J to F) using an instrument is an industry standard. I am not aware of any airline on earth where there is an upgrade instrument that will get you from Y to F when there is a J cabin. Nor am I aware of any airline that advertises complimentary J to F upgrades for elites as an elite benefit (complimentary Y to J is only a common program benefit on US domestic flights).

This should be filed under the "least substantive thing you can complain about" thread.
The question was raised and I responded so not sure how you came to the conclusion it was disingenuous. Had I responded with 'Unique to AA....' perhaps your comment would be valid. It really was not in this case. Nevertheless, next time I will start such a response with "'In keeping with industry norms,....'
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by Antarius View Post
Even better, AA should stop selling J and F and just give them out for free. You, know, just cause.

AA actually has a very generous transcon upgrade policy, so for all their warts, this isnt where I would be complaining.
Yes, that was exactly what I was suggesting. OK - sarcasm off.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by NYC Flyer View Post
Could be a non-rev (not necessarily an employee) or a frequent F customer. I'd hesitate to use the phrase "handed down" as it suggests a giveaway of some sort rather than a perk offered in accordance with company policy only when there are no revenue passengers willing to purchase the product.
That "perk" is indeed a giveaway!
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Old Jul 12, 19, 7:23 am
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Yes, that was exactly what I was suggesting. OK - sarcasm off.

didn't we already have this discussion on another thread?

good luck finding an airline that upgrade elites for free to long-haul premium cabins. (outside of Up-Ops)
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Originally Posted by nachosdelux View Post
didn't we already have this discussion on another thread?

good luck finding an airline that upgrade elites for free to long-haul premium cabins. (outside of Up-Ops)
Yes, we sure did!

At this point, I just wish AA would allow those who paid for J to use "sticker" upgrades into F. That would likely result in many more J to F upgrades than occur nowadays due to requirement for SWU or miles. This should dramatically reduce the non-rev in F problem while providing Ex Plats (and other elites) more opportunities to upgrade into J. Problem solved!
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Yes, we sure did!

At this point, I just wish AA would allow those who paid for J to use "sticker" upgrades into F. That would likely result in many more J to F upgrades than occur nowadays due to requirement for SWU or miles. This should dramatically reduce the non-rev in F problem while providing Ex Plats (and other elites) more opportunities to upgrade into J. Problem solved!
Or they could actually release F saver space and get a liability off their books while improving AAdvantage value.
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