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jazzmailman Apr 15, 14 3:12 pm

Booking LATAM (LAN and TAM) award / flights using AA miles
 
Hi All,

I'm planning a South America trip with a buddy (was originally going to use the Oneworld Explorer ticket, ouch!).

Anyway, I'm looking to fly to Sao Paulo, Brazil during Thanksgiving (so still in the off-peak season). Looking at the award tickets on AA.com, it seems that it requires 20k miles (requires me 1-2 connections) for off-peak tickets, and 50k for AAnytime (direct flight from LAX->GRU). I have searched a couple more days and find it to be the norm for direct flights to cost 50k.

Upon searching BA.com and AwardNexus, I can confirm that there is award availability from LAX->LIM (LAN), and LIM->GRU (TAM). So my question is, when I call AA, would they quote me for the off-peak price (20k) or the AAnytime price (50k) if i want to book those 2 LAN and TAM flights? Or this is more of a YMMV situation? I apologize in advance if this is a simple question, as this would be the first time for me to book with miles since devaluation.

Thanks!!!

guv1976 Apr 15, 14 3:37 pm

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I think you're confused about a few things:

1. Between North America and South America 2, 50,000 miles is the cost of a one-way SAAver award in Business Class, not a one-way AAnytime award in Coach.

2. AAnytime awards are only valid on AA flights. Redemptions on partner carriers can only be made at the SAAver level.

3. AAdvantage redemptions between North America and South America 2 do not permit connections via South America 1. If you have one flight number from LAX to LIM, and a different flight number from LIM to GRU, you must redeem for two awards.

jazzmailman Apr 15, 14 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 22709992)
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I think you're confused about a few things:

1. Between North America and South America 2, 50,000 miles is the cost of a one-way SAAver award in Business Class, not a one-way AAnytime award in Coach.

2. AAnytime awards are only valid on AA flights. Redemptions on partner carriers can only be made at the SAAver level.

3. AAdvantage redemptions between North America and South America 2 do not permit connections via South America 1. If you have one flight number from LAX to LIM, and a different flight number from LIM to GRU, you must redeem for two awards.

Hi Guv1976! Thank you for the prompt response!

1) I meant to say SAAver award (20k off-peak one way), AA website also shows availability for 50k AAnytime awards (75k on certain days cuz of the tiers)

2) Thank you for clarifying only SAAver awards for partner flights.

3) Thank you for clarifying that. So realistically, I'd have to book an award ticket to LIM, then find a way to GRU myself? I'm guessing the award ticket to LIM would be at the SAAver level as well right (since it is SAAver award availability)? What about flights from LIM to GRU, can I also redeem that using AA miles (YES)?

Thank you so much!!!

guv1976 Apr 15, 14 3:55 pm

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"AA website also shows availability for 50k AAnytime awards"

Not sure what aa.com is showing, but the award chart says that AAnytime Coach awards on this route are 55K and 75K, not 50K and 75K. SAAver Business is 50K.

LAX-LIM on LAN is 17.5K AA miles one way in Coach; LIM-GRU on TAM is 15K AA miles on way in Coach. You can have both redemptions put on a single PNR if you redeem for both on the same call to AA. Since you would have two separate awards, you could have a stopover of more than 24 hours in LIM, if desired.

jazzmailman Apr 15, 14 4:08 pm

Thank you so much guv1976! (wish there is a way to +rep you)

You're right about the award redemption value, I got LAX->LIM and LAX->GRU mixed up.

Thank you for the clarification on AA SAAver awards. But I'm not quite sure what PNR means, does that mean i only need to pay for one $35 phone booking fee even if I make 2 award redemptions, as long as it's on the same phone call?

Thanks!

guv1976 Apr 15, 14 4:12 pm

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A PNR (passenger name record) is your reservation record. If you book two awards during a single call to AA, both awards can be placed on a single PNR, and you will only be charged one telephone-ticketing fee per passenger.

jazzmailman Apr 15, 14 4:30 pm

Thank you so much for the clarification and explanation! Very much appreciated.

I have one last question, I'm also looking to go to FTE airport (to visit the great glacier), I can find on oneworld award mapper that LAN flies from AEP (2nd airport in Buenos Aires) to FTE on select days (LA4440 to be exact). But when I enter the information on both BA.com and AA.com, it says no flights in oneworld flies to FTE. When I searched on awardnexus, it encountered an error. IS this fare actually bookable with AA or BA miles? Or it's more of a call and see kind of thing?

Thanks!

guv1976 Apr 15, 14 4:53 pm

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The AEP-FTE flight appears to be operated by LAN Argentina. It should be bookable with both AAdvantage miles and Avios if low-tier award space can be found, but would probably have to be booked under the LAN Argentina flight number, not under the LA (codeshare) flight number.

guv1976 Apr 15, 14 4:59 pm

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Also, note that if you can find SAAver award space on the AEP-FTE route, the award should qualify for the special "wholly within Argentina" redemption rate of only 6,000 AA miles one way. @:-)

rxn211 Dec 17, 14 3:06 pm

Block on AA Award Res on LAN/TAM ???
 
I just called AA Award reservations to book some business class tickets from either LAX or JFK to Lima, Peru. The agent said she shouldn't find anything using all combinations of reservations for bookings in March. So I asked if she saw anything else for Feb or any other months and she said she couldn't find a single ticket. She had never seen it like that before and she just told me to call back and "keep trying." Does anyone know why this would be this way? I figure the airlines would release their seats for awards by now for March? Thanks

nall Dec 17, 14 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by rxn211 (Post 24013964)
I just called AA Award reservations to book some business class tickets from either LAX or JFK to Lima, Peru. The agent said she shouldn't find anything using all combinations of reservations for bookings in March. So I asked if she saw anything else for Feb or any other months and she said she couldn't find a single ticket. She had never seen it like that before and she just told me to call back and "keep trying." Does anyone know why this would be this way? I figure the airlines would release their seats for awards by now for March? Thanks

If you have an account on ba.com, you can check LAN's availability yourself. Find a flight combination you like, and then call AA.

rxn211 Dec 17, 14 3:18 pm

I did this myself as well. I found 0 tickets also. I've never seen anything like this either.

JonNYC Dec 17, 14 3:28 pm

I tend to agree that at least at first glance, this looks like an outage of LAN award inventory. Checking dates like christmas day and new years eve and seeing no awards into LIM or SCL from JFK-- and just jumping around generally, see no awards on BA.com

So, to my eye, looks like an outage.

rxn211 Dec 17, 14 3:34 pm

Sorry if this is a dumb question. But is this "outage" something that is a mistake/temporary or just because they aren't offering any on purpose?

JonNYC Dec 17, 14 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by rxn211 (Post 24014123)
Sorry if this is a dumb question. But is this "outage" something that is a mistake/temporary or just because they aren't offering any on purpose?

There'd be no way to know until/unless we see some notice of same (for any possible outage.) They've happened-- with LAN in particular-- in the past, for sure.


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