Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Feb 11, 2015, 8:00 am
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Is CLT going to be much better? NC gets hit regularly but I guess CLT is a tad further inland. I would avoid CBP at Miami but have only flown domestic at CLT. My only positives for MIA are there are many flights from LHR on BA/AA so if a flight were canceled there would be easy reroutes (and personally I prefer Boeing equipment). If the USAir seats are like 77w these are less confining than the 763 CIP but I would fly either new seats.
Feb 12, 2015, 4:25 pm
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My early July MIA-CDG is still showing AAncient biz - but the wiki says its supposed to operate with the new config... has AA simply not loaded their schedules <5 months out?
Feb 12, 2015, 7:20 pm
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Yes, that's the case. I am flying the same route in May and June (AA62/63) and it still shows the old configuration, but the norm should be the new configuration, as AA officially announced to us CDG-based elites that CDG-MIA and CDG-JFK have the new business seats.
Feb 14, 2015, 1:21 pm
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Feb 14, 2015, 2:51 pm
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/ourP...0-retrofit.jsp
For those interested, American finally put up a page detailing the retrofit of the 767.
For those interested, American finally put up a page detailing the retrofit of the 767.
Feb 14, 2015, 4:08 pm
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Flying on one tonight to SCL
Feb 14, 2015, 6:54 pm
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Feb 15, 2015, 5:13 am
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No, it's not narrow or restricting. It's very comfortable with lots of space to spread (especially if you get a seat with the larger side table), and very private - if you get a seat with the side table between you and the aisle.
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
Feb 15, 2015, 5:35 am
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Feb 15, 2015, 5:39 am
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No, it's not narrow or restricting. It's very comfortable with lots of space to spread (especially if you get a seat with the larger side table), and very private - if you get a seat with the side table between you and the aisle.
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
Feb 15, 2015, 7:20 am
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Check again. It seems the most recent schedule update now shows the new seats pretty far into the future.
Feb 15, 2015, 8:46 am
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No, it's not narrow or restricting. It's very comfortable with lots of space to spread (especially if you get a seat with the larger side table), and very private - if you get a seat with the side table between you and the aisle.
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
I was on JFK-VCP and I'm surprised they are using these relatively scarce renovated 767s to VCP from both JFK and MIA. I would have thought the paid J traffic would fly to GRU, as VCP is not very convenient unless you are connecting on Azul, which is unlikely for paid J pax.
And I thought the main reason for upgrading the J cabins on the 767s was to comply with the JBA transatlantic?
Feb 15, 2015, 8:55 am
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Feb 15, 2015, 9:06 am
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My tongue was in my cheek as my expectations for BA are based on years of having to fly them on non TATL routes. I wonder what reason would you give for the absence of CIP on TATL routes to UK where 763 are deployed and on South American deployment. Certainly a bonus for that market but LHR/MAN - ORD, RDU and 763 DFW seem to be stuck with NGBC for the forseeable future. Where does the JBA reqs stand? Or will we see 787 on some of these routes? My understanding was 787 was focused on TPAC flights for competitive reasons.
Feb 15, 2015, 11:07 am
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When is the scheduled completion date of the CIP? Also is it 26 now instead of 25? Looking at the number to be completed and the time it takes for conversions at KPAE, it appears at the end of the June these will be all set and done.