Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Jan 6, 2015, 9:54 am
#706
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Anyone?
Jan 6, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Flew this last week MIA-ORD due to an equpiment swap (flight was scheduled with NGBC until T-12 and was then swapped, our plane came in from CDG).
The last minute change made a mess for seat assignments as there were lots of families (including mine) planning to fly together 2x2x2. I found it annoying that the table kept popping out on its own and really not a fan of the foot rests (or should I say calf rests) on these seats.
Ah well, I won't complain because MIA-ORD has one 763 scheduled per day for the next few months and that I like.
The last minute change made a mess for seat assignments as there were lots of families (including mine) planning to fly together 2x2x2. I found it annoying that the table kept popping out on its own and really not a fan of the foot rests (or should I say calf rests) on these seats.
Ah well, I won't complain because MIA-ORD has one 763 scheduled per day for the next few months and that I like.
Jan 8, 2015, 11:54 am
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I had the renovated 763 from MIA-MXP on 12/26 (although flight ultimately was cancelled...long story) and MXP-MIA on 1/4. In both cases these planes were last-minute subs and royally screwed up the J seats of my girlfriend and I. Basically, we were in A-B on the "old" seat map but at the last minute we got switched to being in front of each other in one case and across the plane in the other. As she's a skittish flyer, it was pretty annoying. The privacy of these seats on the windows is great, although I echo the comments of others...not as comfortable for lounging and the tray tables are truly bizarre. The FAs said they are real issues.
Jan 8, 2015, 12:38 pm
#709
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I see the retrofit flying routes that are not in the Wiki. Granted some routes are typically last minute swaps due to maintenance or other issues on other planes, but I see this happening very frequently. Am I missing something here? Are there more retrofits already flying that we know of?
I looked at the MIA-BOG route again because I need to travel that route and see the seat map as a retrofit for the first week of February. Is this a re-positioning flight?
I'm puzzled. If somebody knows a little more, please share.
I looked at the MIA-BOG route again because I need to travel that route and see the seat map as a retrofit for the first week of February. Is this a re-positioning flight?
I'm puzzled. If somebody knows a little more, please share.
Jan 8, 2015, 12:45 pm
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Dupe-- see next post
Jan 8, 2015, 12:48 pm
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I see the retrofit flying routes that are not in the Wiki. Granted some routes are typically last minute swaps due to maintenance or other issues on other planes, but I see this happening very frequently. Am I missing something here? Are there more retrofits already flying that we know of?
I looked at the MIA-BOG route again because I need to travel that route and see the seat map as a retrofit for the first week of February. Is this a re-positioning flight?
I'm puzzled. If somebody knows a little more, please share.
I looked at the MIA-BOG route again because I need to travel that route and see the seat map as a retrofit for the first week of February. Is this a re-positioning flight?
I'm puzzled. If somebody knows a little more, please share.
The wiki should be ignored in this regard. In terms of where the aircraft -will- fly (as opposed to where some -have- flown) it's of limited or no use.
Jan 8, 2015, 1:19 pm
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Are there any consistent routes for the refurbed equipment or still pretty much random at this point?
Jan 8, 2015, 1:25 pm
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As the summer comes, many of them will start to move more exclusively to their dedicated purpose-- transatlantic routes.
Jan 12, 2015, 3:25 pm
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Well they canceled 90 ORD-LHR this morning, so I was annoyed, then they put me on BA so I was very annoyed. Got changed to 98 tonight and seat map shows V2 Bus Class so every cloud... Will check out length for tall pax as reviews seem to miss that out. Looking forward.
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Jan 12, 2015, 8:01 pm
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I forgot to say that about 2 days ago i noticed that AA added 763 for the MIA-SFO-MIA route. I have a flight schedule at the start of April and equipment was changed from 738 to 763.
Jan 13, 2015, 12:40 pm
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The 763 on that route is somewhat seasonal and they always use an old configured 763. This route will probably never be covered with the new J seat planes with the rare exception of a last minute swap.
Jan 13, 2015, 6:43 pm
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No problem for me, do these still have the Row 17 seats? Will try the 757 and 763 in coach, will try to get R17 in the MIA-SFO, and 9D on the 757. I think it is still better a 763 than a 738. Will let now how it turned out (months away still for the flight yet), have never missed one of those!
Jan 13, 2015, 7:16 pm
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Number of these converted 763's showing as "active" holding at 12-- so no new ones in quite a while.
Although the number of non-converted ones has dropped one to 43, so maybe that one is in presently.
Although the number of non-converted ones has dropped one to 43, so maybe that one is in presently.
Jan 13, 2015, 7:20 pm
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No problem for me, do these still have the Row 17 seats? Will try the 757 and 763 in coach, will try to get R17 in the MIA-SFO, and 9D on the 757. I think it is still better a 763 than a 738. Will let now how it turned out (months away still for the flight yet), have never missed one of those!
But I digress. I actually did a quick search on all tails that have been refurbished and did see one plane that recently flew the MIA-SFO and back route, once. Must have been a swap - or not. I also noticed three of the planes have not moved in a few days and the one the Wiki says has not moved since December has been already been flying. I will do the search again tomorrow when I have more time and fix the Wiki, unless somebody else beats me to it
Jan 13, 2015, 7:39 pm
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Indeed, N388AA is shown in the wiki as "most likely to be in the conversion process " but that was never the case, that info is erroneous.