Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
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A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Mar 11, 2014, 3:27 pm
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What will be much, much more telling is what happens with routes currently flown by a mixture of 757s and 767s, such as LAX-HI, or some of the JFK-Europe routs which change aircraft on a seasonal basis. If we see 763s disappear from those routes then I think that bolsters your case.
Mar 11, 2014, 4:03 pm
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Or that ORD-HNL 763 gets transfered over to ORD-Europe.
I think that JFK will see more 75Ls going over to Europe as new cities are added from there. They won't be put on the LHR runs. And while the 75Ls supplement the CDG and MAD flights in the peak months, I don't see them taking 763s off of CDG and MAD flights. If anything, we might see those flights be replaced with 332s/333s. All of the other current 763 JFK-Europe flights are beyond the range of a 75L. But cities like GLA/BHX/BRU/ARN/OSL/HAM/CPH can be flown on them.
I think that JFK will see more 75Ls going over to Europe as new cities are added from there. They won't be put on the LHR runs. And while the 75Ls supplement the CDG and MAD flights in the peak months, I don't see them taking 763s off of CDG and MAD flights. If anything, we might see those flights be replaced with 332s/333s. All of the other current 763 JFK-Europe flights are beyond the range of a 75L. But cities like GLA/BHX/BRU/ARN/OSL/HAM/CPH can be flown on them.
Also, I think the 75L will be pulled from MAD since IB (with whom the route is codeshared) is part of the JV which I believe requires all lie-flat J on shared routes.
Regarding CDG, if AA decides that this is a route deserving of the newly reconfigured 763 in the near term then I think the 75L will be pulled as well. I think it's more likely BA will shift one of the two EWR-ORY OpenSkies flights to JFK because AA won't want one flight on the seriously less nice 75L.
Mar 11, 2014, 8:21 pm
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What is AA going to do with the US767s?
Mar 11, 2014, 8:24 pm
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Mar 11, 2014, 8:45 pm
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Actually, the old US Airways 767-200s will be the first to go. They actually anticipate keeping them flying through the summer of 2015 for one reason – it allows them to accelerate the work being done upgrading the 767-300s. But after summer 2015, those airplanes will finally become beer cans.
Mar 11, 2014, 8:56 pm
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Apparently they will be kept through Summer 2015...
Mar 11, 2014, 9:11 pm
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Apparently they will be kept through Summer 2015...
The last scheduled flight for an AA 762 is on AA30 of 07MAY14, a LAX-JFK redeye flight which arrives the following moring (08MAY14) at 0755. However, a last minute substitution by a 757 (with the Eisenhower seats) is a distinct possibility.
Mar 12, 2014, 10:26 am
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Does anyone know what the layout will look like? Im trying to pick seats for travel in April. I like the idea of the single seat next to the window but not sure which rows have this.
Currently in 3A but judging by the picture and counting from the back, it seems like the even numbered rows will have the seat I'm looking for. Any insights or thoughts about this? Thanks.
Currently in 3A but judging by the picture and counting from the back, it seems like the even numbered rows will have the seat I'm looking for. Any insights or thoughts about this? Thanks.
Mar 12, 2014, 10:28 am
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Does anyone know what the layout will look like? Im trying to pick seats for travel in April. I like the idea of the single seat next to the window but not sure which rows have this.
Currently in 3A but judging by the picture and counting from the back, it seems like the even numbered rows will have the seat I'm looking for. Any insights or thoughts about this? Thanks.
Currently in 3A but judging by the picture and counting from the back, it seems like the even numbered rows will have the seat I'm looking for. Any insights or thoughts about this? Thanks.
Looks to me like the even numbered rows have the seat against the window (photo starts with row 3, the second actual row of business, and ends with row 8, the last)
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Mar 12, 2014, 12:38 pm
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Not sure if it's been discussed as I have not had a chance to read the long thread, but what routes should see the new biz class more often? Any chance CNF or POA having these seats in the near future?
Mar 12, 2014, 12:48 pm
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Graphically (where "0" is the seat and "_" the table):
Code:
A D G J 2 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 2 3 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 3 4 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 4 5 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 5 6 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 6 7 |_0| |_0_0| |0_| 7 8 |0_| |0_0_| |_0| 8 A D G J
Mar 12, 2014, 12:53 pm
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Mar 12, 2014, 3:22 pm
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Really?? I thought that the final 332s coming online would allow them to retire the 762s by the end of the year. How many 763s do they plan on having out at a time? They're starting the refurbs now, are only doing about 26-29 of them, and there's about 14 months before the 2015 summer season starts. The only 762s not being used on summer seasonal routes this summer are PHL-BRU and CLT-Brazil. And I thought that CLT-GIG was going away before the end of the year.
- the PMUS/PMAA fleets won't be doing any fleet swapping in summer 2015, or
- some PMUS A330 metal will be used on PMAA routes, requiring the PMUS 762s to be in service in 2015
I think Brett overlooked the fact that AA still has the 762s for two more months, and I read the sentence to mean "But after summer 2015, those [unrefurbished 767-300] airplanes will finally become beer cans."
The last scheduled flight for an AA 762 is on AA30 of 07MAY14, a LAX-JFK redeye flight which arrives the following moring (08MAY14) at 0755. However, a last minute substitution by a 757 (with the Eisenhower seats) is a distinct possibility.
The last scheduled flight for an AA 762 is on AA30 of 07MAY14, a LAX-JFK redeye flight which arrives the following moring (08MAY14) at 0755. However, a last minute substitution by a 757 (with the Eisenhower seats) is a distinct possibility.
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