[Archived] AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (2015-2018)
Oct 12, 2016, 2:45 pm
#1831
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It doesn't matter what the UL site markets
The UL fare does not allow travel on QR between ZRH and DOH other than using the UL codeshare
It is not possible to use the UL codeshare for the award travel
to travel on QR via DOH will have QR as the governing carrier
QR does not permit that routing
Why don't you contact AA, make the booking and see what award cost it quotes
I would expect it to require 2 awards, but sometimes AA allows awards that seem to be out of compliance
The UL fare does not allow travel on QR between ZRH and DOH other than using the UL codeshare
It is not possible to use the UL codeshare for the award travel
to travel on QR via DOH will have QR as the governing carrier
QR does not permit that routing
Why don't you contact AA, make the booking and see what award cost it quotes
I would expect it to require 2 awards, but sometimes AA allows awards that seem to be out of compliance
Oct 12, 2016, 2:51 pm
#1832
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If there is award availability on all of the flights, then why not just give AA a call and see if they can book it as one award? Regardless of all of our speculation here, AA's computers will have the final say.
Oct 12, 2016, 3:41 pm
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That would be my advice too. I have booked a few "not valid" routing on QR/EY and it went through. It's not complicated routing but say for example AUH-SYD, EY routing needs you to route on VA for domestic AU flights (since VA is EY's partner but not AA), but you wouldn't have any problem booking AUH-MEL-SYD (with MEL-SYD on QF instead of VA even though EY doesn't allow QF on that route).
Oct 12, 2016, 3:46 pm
#1835
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That would be my advice too. I have booked a few "not valid" routing on QR/EY and it went through. It's not complicated routing but say for example AUH-SYD, EY routing needs you to route on VA for domestic AU flights (since VA is EY's partner but not AA), but you wouldn't have any problem booking AUH-MEL-SYD (with MEL-SYD on QF instead of VA even though EY doesn't allow QF on that route).
Oct 18, 2016, 11:36 am
#1836
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LHR - EBB and Awards
Trying to book LHR - EBB in C with Miles. Agent is telling me that the only route is LHR - DOH - EBB. No problem booking that.
But agent says that each leg must be booked as a separate award as I am using QR and her system says that it can only be booked using BA. Never heard that before and as I point out, BA does not fly to EBB, so it is impossible.
Agent agrees that it makes no sense and understands by confusion, but can not find a work around.
Anyone else have similar issue and suggestions on how to fix?
But agent says that each leg must be booked as a separate award as I am using QR and her system says that it can only be booked using BA. Never heard that before and as I point out, BA does not fly to EBB, so it is impossible.
Agent agrees that it makes no sense and understands by confusion, but can not find a work around.
Anyone else have similar issue and suggestions on how to fix?
Oct 18, 2016, 11:44 am
#1837
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Unfortunately for a Europe to Africa award, you cannot transit in a 3rd region (DOH is in Middle East). So to book that you'll need 2 awards, Europe-ME and ME-Africa.
This is one of those cases where it's just not possible to get between 2 cities using one award.
This is one of those cases where it's just not possible to get between 2 cities using one award.
Oct 18, 2016, 11:45 am
#1838
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Trying to book LHR - EBB in C with Miles. Agent is telling me that the only route is LHR - DOH - EBB. No problem booking that.
But agent says that each leg must be booked as a separate award as I am using QR and her system says that it can only be booked using BA. Never heard that before and as I point out, BA does not fly to EBB, so it is impossible.
Agent agrees that it makes no sense and understands by confusion, but can not find a work around.
Anyone else have similar issue and suggestions on how to fix?
But agent says that each leg must be booked as a separate award as I am using QR and her system says that it can only be booked using BA. Never heard that before and as I point out, BA does not fly to EBB, so it is impossible.
Agent agrees that it makes no sense and understands by confusion, but can not find a work around.
Anyone else have similar issue and suggestions on how to fix?
Oct 18, 2016, 11:58 am
#1839
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Please move post back
Not sure why you moved this post, but please move it back. My principal carrier offers the route, so does BA and QR. According to agent the reason is because one leg is on BA (LHR-DOH) and rest is on QR (DOH-EBB-DOH-LHR).
That makes no sense.
That makes no sense.
Oct 18, 2016, 12:15 pm
#1840
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Agent is correct; BA does not have a published fare LHR-EBB, so, it cannot be booked with BA flying the LHR-DOH portion, for the reason JDiver points out.
Oct 18, 2016, 12:16 pm
#1841
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Since Doha is in the Middle East region, it is not permitted as a single award
The airline routing rules have to permit the journey and AA's rules have to permit it
It would also seem that the routing rules for QR will require the LHR-DIH to be on QR
It looks like EBB may be a difficult one to do as a single award
Last edited by Dave Noble; Oct 18, 2016 at 12:24 pm
Oct 18, 2016, 12:23 pm
#1842
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As mentioned above, AA's routing rules require that the journey from Europe to Africa not go through any other region
Since Doha is in the Middle East region, it is not permitted as a single award
The airline routing rules have to permit the journey and AA's rules have to permit it
It looks like EBB may be a difficult one to do as a single award
Since Doha is in the Middle East region, it is not permitted as a single award
The airline routing rules have to permit the journey and AA's rules have to permit it
It looks like EBB may be a difficult one to do as a single award
Oct 18, 2016, 12:26 pm
#1844
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from the wikipost
Originally Posted by wikipost
Travel Via a Third Region
Travel via a third region is not allowed (note the exception table below).
EXCEPTION TABLE:
To/From Via
•North America to/from Africa can connect in Europe or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•North America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•North America to/from Asia 2 can connect in Asia 1
•Central/South America to/from Africa can connect in Europe
•Central/South America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•Central/South America to/from South Pacific can connect in South America 2
•South America 2 to/from Africa can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•South America 2 to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•Europe to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Europe to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Europe to/from South Pacific can connect in Singapore or Bangkok only. Note: this may have been updated to include Bangkok, Doha, Hong Kong, Osaka, Singapore or Tokyo.
•Africa to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Africa to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2
•Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
•Asia 1 to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
Travel via a third region is not allowed (note the exception table below).
EXCEPTION TABLE:
To/From Via
•North America to/from Africa can connect in Europe or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•North America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•North America to/from Asia 2 can connect in Asia 1
•Central/South America to/from Africa can connect in Europe
•Central/South America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•Central/South America to/from South Pacific can connect in South America 2
•South America 2 to/from Africa can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•South America 2 to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
•Europe to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Europe to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Europe to/from South Pacific can connect in Singapore or Bangkok only. Note: this may have been updated to include Bangkok, Doha, Hong Kong, Osaka, Singapore or Tokyo.
•Africa to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Africa to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
•Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2
•Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
•Asia 1 to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
Last edited by Dave Noble; Oct 18, 2016 at 12:32 pm