[Archived] AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (2015-2018)
Jul 12, 2016, 8:06 pm
#1651
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: AA MM PP, MR LT Plat, Globalist
Posts: 998
Schedule change permits stopover >24 hrs?
JAL changed their HND-SFO schedule to depart 4.5 hours early, making it impossible for me to make my connection.
I will ask AA to start my DLC-NRT flight a day early, forcing a >24 hour connection. Assuming this succeeds, should I be worried the system will attempt to "auto correct" my itinerary, since the stopover will be > 24 hours?
(DLC-NRT) 13:00 - 16:55
(HND-SFO) 19:45 - 12:05
I will ask AA to start my DLC-NRT flight a day early, forcing a >24 hour connection. Assuming this succeeds, should I be worried the system will attempt to "auto correct" my itinerary, since the stopover will be > 24 hours?
(DLC-NRT) 13:00 - 16:55
(HND-SFO) 19:45 - 12:05
We have an award MSN-ORD-HKG-BKK. The original MSN-ORD had a connection of 23:25 enabling our routine of pre CX F festivities in ORD 
. Yesterday I received a flight change resulting in a connection of 24:36. Also, the aircraft changed from a ERJ to a CRJ with F. I called and confirmed a change from T to Z on that flight. I received the email receipt with new ticket numbers a few hours later.
I am wondering if I should proactively use an abundance of caution (what with the CX F's) and have the MSN-ORD flight moved to the next later flight which would make the connection under the 24 hours.
I'm thinking that, even with it being ticketed and even if I called in to the EXP desk who said it's OK, I'm not wanting to be bitten in the a$$ out of the blue down the road.
Thoughts?
ETA: I did just call (& HUACA) and talked to an experienced EXP agent. She did spend some time reviewing the itinerary's history and said that, because the schedule change was made by the computer with the 24+ hour connection, all would be fine and there would be no problems...
. Yesterday I received a flight change resulting in a connection of 24:36. Also, the aircraft changed from a ERJ to a CRJ with F. I called and confirmed a change from T to Z on that flight. I received the email receipt with new ticket numbers a few hours later.I am wondering if I should proactively use an abundance of caution (what with the CX F's) and have the MSN-ORD flight moved to the next later flight which would make the connection under the 24 hours.
I'm thinking that, even with it being ticketed and even if I called in to the EXP desk who said it's OK, I'm not wanting to be bitten in the a$$ out of the blue down the road.
Thoughts?
ETA: I did just call (& HUACA) and talked to an experienced EXP agent. She did spend some time reviewing the itinerary's history and said that, because the schedule change was made by the computer with the 24+ hour connection, all would be fine and there would be no problems...
Jul 12, 2016, 8:52 pm
#1652
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: DCA/IAD/WAS
Programs: MAR AMB, WOH Explorist, AA EXP, UA 2P
Posts: 2,136
JAL changed their HND-SFO schedule to depart 4.5 hours early, making it impossible for me to make my connection.
I will ask AA to start my DLC-NRT flight a day early, forcing a >24 hour connection. Assuming this succeeds, should I be worried the system will attempt to "auto correct" my itinerary, since the stopover will be > 24 hours?
(DLC-NRT) 13:00 - 16:55
(HND-SFO) 19:45 - 12:05
I will ask AA to start my DLC-NRT flight a day early, forcing a >24 hour connection. Assuming this succeeds, should I be worried the system will attempt to "auto correct" my itinerary, since the stopover will be > 24 hours?
(DLC-NRT) 13:00 - 16:55
(HND-SFO) 19:45 - 12:05
Jul 12, 2016, 10:33 pm
#1653
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ocean Beach
Programs: Alaska MPVG75, AAdvantage PlatPro, Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 535
I managed this once when a schedule change created a >24 hour layover in Hong Kong. I then changed the reservation to extend the layover further. AA ticketed it, though I would imagine they shouldn't have.
Jul 14, 2016, 8:35 pm
#1654
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FLL
Programs: US CP, AA Plat, DL Silver, EY Gold, Kimpton IC, SPG Plat
Posts: 409
I'm trying to get more of my family to Australia for Christmas from MIA.
I know AA is strict with their routing but MIA-SCL-SYD is only 1,500 more miles than MIA-DFW-SYD.
Does anyone know if CX or another OW carrier might allow this as a single award?
I know AA is strict with their routing but MIA-SCL-SYD is only 1,500 more miles than MIA-DFW-SYD.
Does anyone know if CX or another OW carrier might allow this as a single award?
Last edited by tangel; Jul 14, 2016 at 9:02 pm
Jul 14, 2016, 9:14 pm
#1655
Join Date: Jul 2001
Programs: AA EP
Posts: 2,203
Jul 14, 2016, 10:01 pm
#1656
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Posts: 27,730
Not allowed to transit that 3rd region on a single award by AAdv rules, so never gets to the routing restrictions of the individual carriers for AAdv award construction.
Jul 14, 2016, 11:16 pm
#1657
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FLL
Programs: US CP, AA Plat, DL Silver, EY Gold, Kimpton IC, SPG Plat
Posts: 409
I know AA won't allow it.
The closest I've found is AsiaMiles distance based RTW. It looks like I can do MIA-SCL-SYD-HKG-ORD-MIA for 160K miles in J. Seems pretty good to me.
The closest I've found is AsiaMiles distance based RTW. It looks like I can do MIA-SCL-SYD-HKG-ORD-MIA for 160K miles in J. Seems pretty good to me.
Jul 15, 2016, 8:46 am
#1658
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
Have you done any monitoring on the LA availability SCL-SYD or SCL-AKL yet? There is presumably a QF flight but same difficulty if not more.
SYD-HKG also is not easy to get, surprisingly, despite CX flies from Australia from 6 airports. Tried this earlier this year for a June return and eventually gave up to just use UA miles for SYD-BKK-HKG at 40K on TG F that was available almost everyday. J definitely available everyday. Very sporadic availability from CX or QF. UA F on this route also is cheaper than AA's J price too and of course everyone has high mark on TG's F ground service at BKK (we like the buggy pick up but not that impressed by the F lounge which we had used multiple times the past few years.)
Jul 15, 2016, 9:37 am
#1659
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FLL
Programs: US CP, AA Plat, DL Silver, EY Gold, Kimpton IC, SPG Plat
Posts: 409
Good info. Thank you.
I'm lucky enough to find plenty of space on the SCL-SYD flight. MIA-SCL is somewhat scarce (though I found space) and SYD-HKG or any OW hub is proving the bigger challenge.
Has anyone had experience booking with asia miles? I'm going to try submitting their web form today rather than calling.
I'm lucky enough to find plenty of space on the SCL-SYD flight. MIA-SCL is somewhat scarce (though I found space) and SYD-HKG or any OW hub is proving the bigger challenge.
Has anyone had experience booking with asia miles? I'm going to try submitting their web form today rather than calling.
Jul 15, 2016, 10:03 am
#1660
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
Good info. Thank you.
I'm lucky enough to find plenty of space on the SCL-SYD flight. MIA-SCL is somewhat scarce (though I found space) and SYD-HKG or any OW hub is proving the bigger challenge.
Has anyone had experience booking with asia miles? I'm going to try submitting their web form today rather than calling.
I'm lucky enough to find plenty of space on the SCL-SYD flight. MIA-SCL is somewhat scarce (though I found space) and SYD-HKG or any OW hub is proving the bigger challenge.
Has anyone had experience booking with asia miles? I'm going to try submitting their web form today rather than calling.
Jul 21, 2016, 3:34 pm
#1661
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: ADL
Programs: QFF, AAdvantage, All
Posts: 1,137
I read somewhere that if a OW airline offers an award seat, any other OW airline is able to offer that seat through its own award program.
Is that a rule, unwritten rule, or someone's opinion?
I ask because BA has an MH flight available that AA doesn't. Is this possible?
Is that a rule, unwritten rule, or someone's opinion?
I ask because BA has an MH flight available that AA doesn't. Is this possible?
Jul 21, 2016, 6:14 pm
#1662
Join Date: Apr 2007
Programs: QF, VA, AC, Hyatt, Marriott
Posts: 3,779
In my fairly extensive experience with this, even holding top tier status with Qantas and AA, different award availability is seen for different carriers all the time. Cathay is the most common in my experience. American seems to offer better availability than QF does. Also in my experience CX permits through bookings (I don't think I've used the right terminology there but basically I mean A-transit HKG-B) when booking through AA but not when booking through QF, the latter requiring a stopover (A-stop HKG-B) and thus two awards.
For several months I've been eyeing off a AUH-TXL on AB for several months. Searching through QF I can see availability on both of the day's flights in both classes. All the while AA has no availability in either class on either flight.
Very frustrating.
Jul 21, 2016, 6:24 pm
#1663
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It is the policy, if BA has a partner award seat, AA should have the same access to that award seat. But, technology-related factors cause this not to be the case on an exceedingly regular basis, unfortunately.
Jul 21, 2016, 6:34 pm
#1664
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: LAX, LGB, SNA
Programs: AA EXP OWE, DL DM ST+, AS MVPG, UA, BA, WN CP, Hyatt E, Ritz Plat, HH GM
Posts: 3,185
Happens a lot with different systems being updated. Amadeus and sabre.
Jul 21, 2016, 6:52 pm
#1665
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: ADL
Programs: QFF, AAdvantage, All
Posts: 1,137
Along those lines, yesterday I had to bypass the Australian AA call center, that showed unavailability, and get an AAgent in the US to change one of my QF flights on an AAward booking.