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oneworld and other airline Awards Rules, Information 2015 on

NOTE: Check AA award charts for current awards costs.

List of airlines you can use in redeeming awards:

oneworld airlines (and their oneworld affiliates) are:
  • AA - American Airlines (and American Eagle)
  • BA - British Airways (and BA Cityflyer, Comair, Eastern Airways, Open Skies, Sun Air of Scandinavia, BA Limited) (incurs high YQ surcharge)
  • CX - Cathay Pacific (and KA - Dragonair)
  • AY - Finnair (and Privilege Style, Flybe Finland)
  • IB - Iberia (and Air Nostrum, Iberia Express) (incurs YQ surcharge)
  • JL - Japan Airlines (and J-Air)
  • LA - LAN (and LAN Express, LAN Colombia, LP - LAN Peru) / LATAM
  • MH - Malaysia Airlines
  • RJ - Royal Jordanian
  • QF - Qantas (and QantasLink, Jetconnect - not Jetstar)
  • QR - Qatar Airways
  • S7 - S7 (and Globus - but excludes far eastern Russia / Siberia)
  • UL - SriLankan Airlines
  • JJ - TAM (LATAM)
Non-oneworld airlines one can redeem (MileSAAver) awards on are:
  • TN - Air Tahiti Nui
  • AS - Alaska Airlines
  • EY - Etihad Airways
  • FJ - Fiji Airways (to become oneworld Connect partner)
  • GF - Gulf Air Ended May 2018
  • HA - Hawaiian Airlines
  • 9W - Jet Airways (India)
Airlines that can be booked for award travel on aa.com:

oneworld alliance partners
  • TN - Air Tahiti Nui
  • AA - American Airlines
  • AS - Alaska Airlines (not Virgin America)
  • AY - Finnair
  • BA - British Airways (awards incur YQ airline imposed surcharge)
  • FJ - Fiji Airways
  • HA - Hawaiian Airlines (not interisland not North America - Hawaii)
  • IB - Iberia (lesser YQ surcharge)
  • MH - Malaysia Airlines
  • QF - Qantas Airways
  • QR - Qatar Airways
  • RJ - Royal Jordanian Airlines
  • UL - Sri Lankan Airlines
All other airlines have to be requested by telephone; calling to book awards that cannot be booked online no longer incurs telephone service fees.

Routing assistance, etc.

Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes, and you can sign up for British Airways Executive Club or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. Also see this link to AA.com listing oneworld airlines with information about each.

Originally Posted by JonNYC View Post
(Routings allowed)

Awards may be put on hold for five days. Awards may take time to be verified by the operating airlines. Once approved, they will proceed to a booking queue for ticket issuance; the sooner the trip, the faster the process - and vice versa. See link to thread, below.

Booking for, or changing an award to, travel sooner than 21 days out requires an early booking fee (waived for Executive Platinum members). One can not book farther out, change to closer in and evade this fee any longer (as of 16 Feb 2012)

Booking Business or First awards with JL / Japan Airlines one will only be able to fly in Economy domestically in Japan, but upgrades are quite inexpensive at 1,000 or so per flight.

See more below in "General Rules"

Latest changes:
  • As of Aug 2017, Connections are limited to two connections / three flight segments for domestic awards, and three connections / four flight segments for international awards. Link
  • Nov 2016: MH and 9W can now be used on AA or CX transpacific awards to India subcontinent via HKG in addition to CX
  • May 6, 2016: Regions split (Indian Subcontinent, Middle East)
  • Jet Airways discontinued EWR-BRU as of 27 March 2016.
  • As of 7 April 2014, the "free stopover" discussed can no longer be used as free award stopovers at international North American gateways have been eliminated.
  • Airlines are normally precluded from writing tickets with more than 16 segments.
AA Region Definitions*

Region definitions changed again May 6, 2016. Link

Links and resources:
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updated 11MAY15 by hillrider. Modified and updated from JonNYC's original post in the archived thread (please feel free to update):

Introduction

There are two types of awards discussed below, AA Awards and oneworld and Other Airlines Awards, which are targeted to passengers traveling to a single destination.

As of 1 October 2010 awards may be redeemed for travel on all British Airways flights, including previously excluded flights between the U.S. and U.K. Note that additional British Airways high YQ surcharges, as well as Iberia's lower YQ surcharges, apply based on class-of-service and market flown: see Earning and redeeming AA miles / upgrading on BA/IB; BA fuel surcharge (Oct 1, 2010)

Award Rules
  • American Airlines Awards are valid for travel on flights that are marketed and operated by AA (no codeshares). These awards can be booked online at AA.com.
  • oneworld and Other Airline awards are valid for travel on AA and any of its partner airlines, and can include travel on multiple partners. Many of these awards must be booked over the phone, and will not incur a Ticketing Service Charge (waived for EXPs in any case) if they cannot be booked online.
  • Up to four one-way awards can be booked on a single PNR.
General Rules, Routing and Connections

Passenger has 4h on domestic / 23h59m international travel to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover may require two awards).

If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m windows and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight.

Effective on 14 Jul 2014 on an all-AA-metal award itinerary, you now have up to 18 hours to connect when traveling to/from Hawaii [[URL="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25730421-post993.html"]Ref]

The particular carrier's Maximum Permitted Miles / MPM + 25% on a particular route. (The MPM by itself often exceeds the distance between the origin and destination airports because connections may be required.)

Or, the "most significant carrier" (e.g. DFW-SFO-HKG-BKK, CX SFO-HKG is the prevailing or most significant carrier) must publish a non-constructed fare between your origin and destination.

To price as a single award, AAdvantage requires the most significant carrier to publish a cash fare (non-constructed) between the origin and destination. Airline MSC would have to have a published fare from XXX to YYY that allows travel on all included airlines, and routing that you want. If the MSC only offers constructed fares between your desired origin and destination, AA will price this as two awards.

Stopovers

None allowed.

Partner award inventories

Award booking inventory classes for each carrier in the AAdvantage Award program are listed below and may be useful when on the phone with an AA rep or when checking availability. See also the Award Booking Codes page in the FlyerGuide wiki for updated information.


Code:
oneworld Partners First Business Economy
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 AA - American Airlines Z U T
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 AY  Finnair U X
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 BA  British Airways Z U X
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 CX  Cathay Pacific Z U T
 KA - DragonAir
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 IB  Iberia U X
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 JJ - TAM Airlines O I X
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 JL  Japan Airlines (Intl) Z U T
 JL  Japan Airlines (Dom) Z D S
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 LA  LATAM / LAN Chile Z U T
 XL - LAN Ecuador
 LP - LAN Peru
 4M - LAN Argentina
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 MH - Malaysia Airlines P U X
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 QF - QANTAS Airways P U X
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 QR - Qatar Airways Z U X
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 RJ  Royal Jordanian U X
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 S7  S7 Airlines U E
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 UL - SriLankan Airlines
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 Other Partners First Business Economy
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 FJ  Fiji Airways U X
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 TN  Air Tahiti Nui F for Business U for Economy
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 AS  Alaska Airlines A W
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 LY  El Al Israel P X E
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 EY - Etihad O I N
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 HA  Hawaiian Airlines D T
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General Routing Rules

Routing

General Rules

Passenger has 4h / 23h59m to connect (depending on domestic or international travel). If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover.

If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight.

Must meet Married Segment Logic - a prospective trip may be available when searching segment by segment, yet not be bookable through from origin to destination. When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable.

Within North America
  • Awards wholly within North America are valid on all partner airlines that market and operate their own service within North America.
  • Travel between two cities in the United States via Canada/Mexico is not allowed.
  • Travel between two cities in Canada/Mexico via the United States is not allowed.
  • Passenger must travel the most direct routing.
  • Connections of more than 4 hours are considered a stopover unless the passenger is taking the next scheduled flight and it is outside the 4 hours.
  • Any connection of 24 hours is always considered a stopover.
  • Award travel between Hawaii and North America does not include inter-island flights.
  • Inter-island award travel will allow a maxium of 2 flight segments.
North America To/from Other Regions
  • Award travel to/from North America is allowed on any combination of carriers that service the applicable region except as noted below.
  • Passenger must use most direct routing.
  • Hawaiian Airlines is not valid for these awards.
  • As of Oct 1, 2010, British Airways is valid for all routes, including transatlantic flights between the U.S. and U.K.
  • Travel to Europe, Africa and the Indian Sub-Continent/Middle East must be via the Atlantic only.
  • Travel to Asia 1, Asia 2 and the South Pacific must be via the Pacific.
  • Travel to/from Fiji/Papeete cannot be via Australia/New Zealand.
  • Travel to Easter Island (IPC) must be via Papeete (PPT) or use two awards.
  • North American travel to/from Guam or Saipan, the transpacific segment must be on AA.
  • Passenger has 23h59m to connect, regardless of availability.
  • A connection with more than 23h59m will be considered a stopover.
Travel Wholly Within or Between All Other Regions
These awards do not allow a connection via North America and therefore, do not include travel on American Airlines.
  • Passenger must travel the most direct routing.
  • Connecting travel is not allowed outside the region or regions.
  • Passenger has 23h59m to connect, regardless of availability.
  • A connection with more than 24 hours will be considered a stopover.
Travel Via a Third Region

Travel via a third region is not allowed (note the exception table below).

EXCEPTION TABLE:
To/From Via
  • North America to/from Africa can connect in Europe or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • North America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • North America to/from Asia 2 can connect in Asia 1
  • Central/South America to/from Africa can connect in Europe
  • Central/South America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • Central/South America to/from South Pacific can connect in South America 2
  • South America 2 to/from Africa can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • South America 2 to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • Europe to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Europe to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Europe to/from South Pacific can connect in Singapore or Bangkok only. Note: this may have been updated to include Bangkok, Doha, Hong Kong, Osaka, Singapore or Tokyo.
  • Africa to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Africa to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2
  • Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
  • Asia 1 to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
Regions:
  • Asia 1 = Japan, Korea, Mongolia
  • Asia 2 = Bhutan, Brunei, China, Guam, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Saipan, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam
  • South America 2 = Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile (excluding Easter Island), Paraguay, Uruguay
Travel on LAN direct flights between North America and South America Region 2 are allowed. Currently, only one market, Miami to/from Buenos Aries, has direct service. These can only be booked by the liaisons. Contact support for booking assistance.

For permitted changes and fees, see this post


Resources

NOTE: New award charts are in place for awards made 22 March 2016 or later. See the American Airlines charts here and the oneworld and partner award charts here, both those effective through 21 March 2016 and those taking effect 22 Mar 2016.
Awards assistance tools: Use at your own risk; may not be up to date. These are not recommendations.

  • Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes.

  • British Airways Executive Club: You can sign up for British Airways Executive Club, Japan Airlines JAL Mileage Bank or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. Can show "phantom" availability.

  • Award Nexus: It's easy to do your experiments for some free browsing (click "more signup options" under the green Purchase button to sign up with your FlyerTalk login info). You might want to run each segment rather than origin to destination.

  • AwardAce: Compare Award Redemptions Across Airlines In Seconds

  • AwardHacker: "a tool we build to tell you how to travel with the least miles"

  • Award Nexus: which can search availability but can't determine cost, with FT member free limited use

  • Economical Excursionist's Tools: compare Frequent Flyer Mile Redemptions

  • ExpertFlyer is a common tool used on FT. There is a $99.99 annual fee, monthly fee and five day trial

  • Great Circle Mapper is useful for calculating distance and MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage)

  • You can try PEX+ (currently in beta), which will even tell you how many miles you'll need, though it draws data from aa.com and S7 so it can't reveal awards that can not be seen on those sites.

  • Travel Codex Award Maximiser commercial blog

Links to other threads of interest:

MileSAAver / SAAver Award Availability - Help, Assistance & Discussion (consolidated)

Help with British Airways / BA surcharge / YQ (AA award on BA, consolidated)

UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures

Award with available segments not bookable? (Married Segment issues)

MileSAAver / SAAver award reduction / scarcity >= Aug 2011 onward (consolidated)

Ticket or Award status: On Request, Pending, Purchased and Ticketed (consolidated)

Link to archived older posts from this thread.

Thanks and a tip of the hat to aktchi, eponymous-coward, guv1976, hillrider, iztok, JonNYC and others who have contributed to this wiki.


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Old Aug 9, 15, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Amy28
Before I get on the horn with AA, thought I would check here.

We're trying to schedule a Seychelles/Mauritius trip for this coming Jan. This is my hopeful routing:

ORD-AUH (Stopover 20 hours)-SEZ (Open Jaw to MRU)-MRU-JNB-LHR-ORD.

Is this possible? Many thanks in advance.
Not sure what you're asking. You can fly on any AA partner if there is award availability, and you have enough miles.

If you want to know whether ORD-AUH-SEZ is bookable as a single North America-Africa award, the answer is, "No."

Are you aware that BA offers MRU-LGW service?
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Old Aug 9, 15, 8:30 pm
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Are you aware that BA offers MRU-LGW service?
Seasonally and not daily. Looks to be 3 days a weak in peak.
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Old Aug 11, 15, 8:48 am
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Here is the definitive guide to booking JL award flights using partner miles such as AA and BA. And yes, you are doing something wrong, but only because you don't know all the details and intricacies of booking JL awards.

Flights load into inventory 330 days out at 10am Japan Standard Time or 6pm Pacific Daylight Time (to the second). Revenue inventory and award inventory load at the same time. I can only speak to the JL 61 (LAX-NRT), 62 (NRT-LAX) and JL 1 (SFO-HND), 2 (HND-SFO) since those are the only routes I look at, but I expect other routes to be similar. JL 61, 62 loads 2 F and 2 J seats while JL 1, 2 loads 2 F and at least 4 J seats. What's crazy is that the award seats are available to partner redemption online before they are available online to JMB members. What I mean by this is that while the award seats are available to partners online at 6pm PDT, they aren't available to JMB members online until the next day at around 10:30am PDT. I do not know for sure if you are able to book the seats as soon as they load using JL miles by calling JL, but you definitely can't do it online.

Like others above have said, The best way to check award inventory is the BA site. The info on BA is real time while others above have mentioned that the calendar view on the JL site is only updated once a day around 10:30am PDT (timing varies widely day by day...can be anywhere from 9am PDT to 12pm PDT). The real time inventory on the JL site is only available when looking at specific dates.

The fastest way to get awards that I know of is to use the BA site and book directly through BA using Avios since everything can be done online. The pro to that is that you'll probably beat anyone trying to use AA miles, the con is that you'll have to pay fuel surcharges. If you are using AA miles, you need to anticipate the awards loading into the system at 6pm PDT and time your call with AA to coincide with 6pm since you can't book JL awards online through AA. The pro is that there are no fuel surcharges, the con is that your wait time to talk to a CSR is variable.

All of the above is only for booking JL awards 330 days in advance. The award inventory is usually available for about 3 months, then it goes away. After that, award inventory is very sporadic especially for popular routes like LAX-NRT and vice versa. The only thing to do is check everyday. Inventory does tend to open up close to departure. They will usually release award seats for any remaining seats except for one. If inventory is showing F3 the day before departure, they will usually have 2 seats available for redemption. I have never seen them release the very last seat.

I hope that helps you out.
I need 2 AAdvantage F tickets one way from SAN to Tokyo for March 4 or 5, 2016. Yesterday after checking with BA, it stated availability for 3 F seats for both days from SFO to HND (JL001) then I waited until past 6pm PST before calling AA, the rep told me there were no premium seats available (First or Business) for that flight on both days. I tried 3 times thru the night and also once this morning to no avail. In between, I checked BA website and everytime it clearly stated there are 3 F seats. Any suggestion? Thanks.
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Question:
1) Would I be able to hold available QR seats up to ORD and then add an AA connection to PHX later?
2) Would I be able to confirm booking up to ORD and add an AA connection to PHX later when it is available without additional fees and mileage if I keep the same classes?

I am finding seats on QR to US destinations slightly more than 330 days out on QF/BA websites but AA agents say they don't see them more than 330 days so they cannot book. AA connections from QRs US hubs to PHX are not opening saver availability quite at 330 days... It seems to be taking 330 days + 1 weeks (about 5 to 7 days) for saver availability to show up. Therein lies my concern. I am trying to book 2J and 2Y at the same time so it's complicated. Any expert ideas? Would AA allow me to hold QR flights on 2 consecutive days for 5 day hold each so I can hope for some saver seats to trickle in on connecting flights from QRs US hubs to PHX?
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Old Aug 11, 15, 1:46 pm
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Cannot see trip on aa.com "My trip"

A bit of an odd one for me:

Booked a one-way intra-Europe OW partner award on BA metal on aa.com. Credit card was originally declined and so had to call in for payment which I was told went through. I never received an email with e-ticket numbers.

I am unable to retrieve the booking through the usual channels (e.g. aa.com's "My Trip" or CheckMyTrip) but can see it if I log on to my AAdvantage account where it says "ticketed". Not sure where to find e-ticket numbers here though.

Is this common for partner award bookings? (limited "visibility" of the booking so to speak) or should I chase them for e-ticket numbers etc? It's for a family holiday so I worry that something is off.

Thanks in advance.
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Old Aug 11, 15, 1:56 pm
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You don't say when you booked? They are backlogged. Happened to me to on partner award booking recently. It took over 5 days for the email to show up. I called several times and they assured me that I had confirmed booking. Finally email showed up and booking showed up in my trips account fine (for AA/EY combo booking).
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Question:
1) Would I be able to hold available QR seats up to ORD and then add an AA connection to PHX later?
You can certainly do this during the hold period.

Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
2) Would I be able to confirm booking up to ORD and add an AA connection to PHX later when it is available without additional fees and mileage if I keep the same classes?
AS mentioned above, you can change anything during the hold period. Once you purchase the ticket, there will be a fee if the origin or destination changes, unless you are Executive Platinum.

Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
...Would AA allow me to hold QR flights on 2 consecutive days for 5 day hold each so I can hope for some saver seats to trickle in on connecting flights from QRs US hubs to PHX?
I am not sure what you mean here. You can certainly hold different non-conflicting itineraries (ie, travel on different dates), for example October 1-9 and November 10-16. Each hold will be 5 days. During the hold period you can modify them for free. If the hold expires or is about to expire, you can try to renew but that is not guaranteed.
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Old Aug 11, 15, 9:15 pm
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I am not sure what you mean here. You can certainly hold different non-conflicting itineraries (ie, travel on different dates), for example October 1-9 and November 10-16. Each hold will be 5 days. During the hold period you can modify them for free. If the hold expires or is about to expire, you can try to renew but that is not guaranteed.
OK.. So what I meant was hold QR all the way to ORD for 7/8/16 for 4 pax (pending ORD-PHX, hoping for saver in next 5 days for 7/8/16), THEN a day later, hold another exact same route award for 7/9/16 for the same pax and expect 5 days to look for ORD-PHX saver for 7/9/16? Those two are my target return dates.

From your answer about it looks like this is possible because of different dates, but I was worried about what would QR think about this, or does it not matter?

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I need 2 AAdvantage F tickets one way from SAN to Tokyo for March 4 or 5, 2016. Yesterday after checking with BA, it stated availability for 3 F seats for both days from SFO to HND (JL001) then I waited until past 6pm PST before calling AA, the rep told me there were no premium seats available (First or Business) for that flight on both days. I tried 3 times thru the night and also once this morning to no avail. In between, I checked BA website and everytime it clearly stated there are 3 F seats. Any suggestion? Thanks.
My advice was for when inventory loads into their system and the way to get award seats 330 days out when they first become available. For your dates, IF the seats were available, you should have been able to call right away and book the seats instead of waiting till 6pm PDT. I'm skeptical that the award seats were actually available to be booked in F. One, they don't release more than 2 F seats on that route except when done in error. Two, I don't see any J or F seats for those dates at all on both BA and JL. Of course those seats could have been available and were booked before you could book them, but I'm skeptical that they were there to begin with. Let me know if you have any other questions or need clarification.
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Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
Would AA allow me to hold QR flights on 2 consecutive days for 5 day hold each so I can hope for some saver seats to trickle in on connecting flights from QRs US hubs to PHX?
Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
OK.. So what I meant was hold QR all the way to ORD for 7/8/16 for 4 pax (pending ORD-PHX, hoping for saver in next 5 days for 7/8/16), THEN a day later, hold another exact same route award for 7/9/16 for the same pax and expect 5 days to look for ORD-PHX saver for 7/9/16? Those two are my target return dates.

From your answer about it looks like this is possible because of different dates, but I was worried about what would QR think about this, or does it not matter?
No.

AA will not allow you to hold duplicate bookings or multiple bookings for 'impossible' flights (ie where you cannot possibly take one of the flights because of the timings). This is mentioned in AA's terms and conditions.

So even on separate days, you can't possibly make both of them in this case, so you will need to choose one or the other.

Not sure of QR's policy on this, but even if AA somehow let you do it, there is a possibility QR could cancel the duplicate/multiple booking if for some reason it discovered them.
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Old Aug 12, 15, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
OK.. So what I meant was hold QR all the way to ORD for 7/8/16 for 4 pax (pending ORD-PHX, hoping for saver in next 5 days for 7/8/16), THEN a day later, hold another exact same route award for 7/9/16 for the same pax and expect 5 days to look for ORD-PHX saver for 7/9/16? ...
From your answer about it looks like this is possible because of different dates...
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No. AA will not allow you to hold duplicate bookings or multiple bookings for 'impossible' flights (ie where you cannot possibly take one of the flights because of the timings). This is mentioned in AA's terms and conditions. So even on separate days, you can't possibly make both of them in this case, so you will need to choose one or the other.
Agreed. These reservations would be in conflict as you can't possibly fly both of them. However, QR flies to many US cities: LAX, DFW, IAH, ATL, NYC, WAS, PHL, BOS, so if your goal is PHX, you can investigate other connections besides ORD. Even consider Montreal.
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Old Aug 13, 15, 2:17 am
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It was supposedly ticketed on the 4th of August and I still cannot access the trip on CMT Amadeus etc.

Originally Posted by FT-hss View Post
You don't say when you booked? They are backlogged. Happened to me to on partner award booking recently. It took over 5 days for the email to show up. I called several times and they assured me that I had confirmed booking. Finally email showed up and booking showed up in my trips account fine (for AA/EY combo booking).
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Old Aug 13, 15, 12:32 pm
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BTW, 9:01PM Eastern, worked like a charm, was able to pick up some JFK-NRT-JFK award tickets using AAdvantage miles in F-Class for 2 people. Thank you for that advice, much appreciated. All I have to do now is wait about 10 1/2 months to take that flight.

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Old Aug 13, 15, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Goosh View Post
My advice was for when inventory loads into their system and the way to get award seats 330 days out when they first become available. For your dates, IF the seats were available, you should have been able to call right away and book the seats instead of waiting till 6pm PDT. I'm skeptical that the award seats were actually available to be booked in F. One, they don't release more than 2 F seats on that route except when done in error. Two, I don't see any J or F seats for those dates at all on both BA and JL. Of course those seats could have been available and were booked before you could book them, but I'm skeptical that they were there to begin with. Let me know if you have any other questions or need clarification.
You are right. I was mistaken in BA site, thinking that the listed available seats were the F seats that I put in request. Only when I clicked it and continue tothe next step, I found out those seats were premium economy seats. I guess at this point, I'll just hope at some point there will be business seats re released. F seats will be extremely difficult ..( 330 days out is the better time for the best attempt?). Thx.
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Old Aug 18, 15, 12:43 am
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Thanks! OK.. So I was able to "hold" QR, EY and again EY to LAX on consecutive days. I was able to complete the QR itin to PHX but still let it stay on hold, since my preferred date was couple days later. Finally with all these still on hold, I was able to complete the itin on the date I really wanted, with EY to LAX and then AA to PHX, 2J and 2Y. When I actually bought the tickets, I had the agent cancel all other hold as they suggested that this might confuse the system and I might lose my confirmed tickets. I was planning to cancel the others anyway.

Originally Posted by aktchi View Post
Agreed. These reservations would be in conflict as you can't possibly fly both of them. However, QR flies to many US cities: LAX, DFW, IAH, ATL, NYC, WAS, PHL, BOS, so if your goal is PHX, you can investigate other connections besides ORD. Even consider Montreal.
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