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Speculation: New Routes, Hubs, Flights (2017 Onward)
Because there is community interest in having a purely speculative discussion about whether other airports will pop up to become focus cities or hubs, new routes, etc. the following new thread has been amalgamated on this topic.Note:
Going: 9 A330-300, ER190, some older 757-200 and 8 767-300ER (leaving 17), MD-80
Coming: Remainder of 16 Boeing 26 787-8, 22 Boeing 787-9 (began later 2016). A320 family - 100 A321neo, and B737-800 (100 737-MAX8) aircraft.
See Cranky Flier article on 2016 fleet changes, AA-HP-US. Link.
Also see: HELP DESK: General questions about aircraft equipment, fleet, seats, IFE, etc.
Speculation fun time: Will xxx be the next AA focus city / hub? (consolidated)
Obsolete posts from 2015 on have been moved to ARCHIVE: Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - 2015 on
All posts prior to 2015 have been moved here: ARCHIVE: Routes (Flights) and Hubs (Speculation, News and Discussion)
Speculation: Possible Routes (Flights) and Hubs, Discussion - (2017 on)
#992
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Austin, TX - AUS
Programs: AA Platinum, Hilton, Hyatt, IHG, Marriott
Posts: 1,625
Network realignment update: Newsroom - American Airlines Expands European Footprintand Modifies Asia Service - American Airlines Group, Inc.
New routes: PHL-Berlin, PHL-Dubrovnik, PHL-Bologna, PHL-EDI (replaces JFK-EDI), PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB (replaces JFK-DUB), DFW-MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH
Cuts: PHL-FRA, PHL-MUC, PHL-GLA, ORD-PVG, ORD-NRT reduced to 3 weekly
New routes: PHL-Berlin, PHL-Dubrovnik, PHL-Bologna, PHL-EDI (replaces JFK-EDI), PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB (replaces JFK-DUB), DFW-MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH
Cuts: PHL-FRA, PHL-MUC, PHL-GLA, ORD-PVG, ORD-NRT reduced to 3 weekly
#993
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 2,506
So another JFK route gone (DUB, maybe an indication that the EI JV will be announced soon?), and it looks like that 757 will be moved to PHL-EDI. Will EDI last at both JFK and PHL?
There was a hint that the only widebodies out of JFK will be 777s come next summer, I wonder if the 2 767s to CDG/MAD will be moved to the 3 new PHL flights (11x weekly total)?
Of these, the biggest surprise to me is Bologna, and the most overdue is Berlin. CLT-MUC is likely a competitive response to LH (I believe it is the only major city that AA doesn't fly to from CLT that a competitor does).
EDIT: Looks like a PDF of the additions and drops include PHL-FRA/MUC/GLA ending as well. PHL-GLA is transferring to EDI. If someone told me 3 cities from PHL were being terminated, I wouldn't have assumed FRA/MUC, and certainly not if TXL was being added at the same time.
There was a hint that the only widebodies out of JFK will be 777s come next summer, I wonder if the 2 767s to CDG/MAD will be moved to the 3 new PHL flights (11x weekly total)?
Of these, the biggest surprise to me is Bologna, and the most overdue is Berlin. CLT-MUC is likely a competitive response to LH (I believe it is the only major city that AA doesn't fly to from CLT that a competitor does).
EDIT: Looks like a PDF of the additions and drops include PHL-FRA/MUC/GLA ending as well. PHL-GLA is transferring to EDI. If someone told me 3 cities from PHL were being terminated, I wouldn't have assumed FRA/MUC, and certainly not if TXL was being added at the same time.
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#994
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Programs: AAdvantage Exec Platinum, Hertz #1 Club Gold Five Star, IHG Platinum, Marriott Gold, HHonors Silver
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I'm pretty surprised by the PHL-MUC/FRA cuts. But the biggest shock to me is adding BLQ...where did that one come from? I can think of at least 5 other Italian cities I would've guessed first before BLQ got added. Does that city have any TATL flights currently on any carrier?
#995
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP, SPG / Marriott GLD, HHonors GLD
Posts: 520
I'm pretty surprised by the PHL-MUC/FRA cuts. But the biggest shock to me is adding BLQ...where did that one come from? I can think of at least 5 other Italian cities I would've guessed first before BLQ got added. Does that city have any TATL flights currently on any carrier?
Interesting that AA is taking on LH's long running non-stop from CLT to MUC. Remember that used to be a codeshare route with US when they were part of *A
#996
Join Date: May 2013
Location: LHR
Programs: AA EXP, DL DM, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 1,032
I'm pretty surprised by the PHL-MUC/FRA cuts. But the biggest shock to me is adding BLQ...where did that one come from? I can think of at least 5 other Italian cities I would've guessed first before BLQ got added. Does that city have any TATL flights currently on any carrier?
I'm also shocked by BLQ; the only current long-haul flight I can find (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologn...arconi_Airport) appears to be EK DXB-BLQ. But EK is far more aggressive about route adds than AA...
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#1000
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA EXP Plat, Mariott Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 165
PHL-MUC isn't surprising to me in light of the fact that they've just moved it to CLT-MUC (automotive demand; also the reason Lufthansa flies CLT-MUC and not CLT-FRA). Like you I'm a bit surprised by PHL-FRA though, though I guess CLT-FRA was enough Frankfurt capacity?
I'm also shocked by BLQ; the only current long-haul flight I can find (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologn...arconi_Airport) appears to be EK DXB-BLQ. But EK is far more aggressive about route adds than AA...
I'm also shocked by BLQ; the only current long-haul flight I can find (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologn...arconi_Airport) appears to be EK DXB-BLQ. But EK is far more aggressive about route adds than AA...
#1001
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 2,506
PHL-MUC isn't surprising to me in light of the fact that they've just moved it to CLT-MUC (automotive demand; also the reason Lufthansa flies CLT-MUC and not CLT-FRA). Like you I'm a bit surprised by PHL-FRA, though I guess CLT/DFW-FRA was enough Frankfurt capacity?
#1003
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 153
I still don't get the addition of PHL-TXL.
UA does EWR-TXL and DL offers JFK-TXL - and their equipment will be more appealing to the german customers!
Not having personal IFE will be a major issue, affecting the loads. So AA can only go really low on prices; therefore low yields.
The AA 767 is just not good enough anymore, for the german market.
And a seasonal 4x weekly operation will hardly return the investments AA has to make, considering the start-up costs - especially for security, as TXL's classification won't be on the low risk-end.
UA does EWR-TXL and DL offers JFK-TXL - and their equipment will be more appealing to the german customers!
Not having personal IFE will be a major issue, affecting the loads. So AA can only go really low on prices; therefore low yields.
The AA 767 is just not good enough anymore, for the german market.
And a seasonal 4x weekly operation will hardly return the investments AA has to make, considering the start-up costs - especially for security, as TXL's classification won't be on the low risk-end.
#1004
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: CLT
Posts: 89
Looks like no, BRQ has no direct US service. Probably a smart move - we've seen AA do very well on these summer seasonal virtually no competition direct routes in PRG and BUD. I'd expect to see more of them from PHL.
Interesting that AA is taking on LH's long running non-stop from CLT to MUC. Remember that used to be a codeshare route with US when they were part of *A
Interesting that AA is taking on LH's long running non-stop from CLT to MUC. Remember that used to be a codeshare route with US when they were part of *A
I guess CLT is getting the 332 from PHL per the "767" reallocation plan.
#1005
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: MSP/BUF/BNA/LFT
Programs: AA Plat, Priority Club Gold, Choice Privileges Gold
Posts: 1,225
I still don't get the addition of PHL-TXL.
UA does EWR-TXL and DL offers JFK-TXL - and their equipment will be more appealing to the german customers!
Not having personal IFE will be a major issue, affecting the loads. So AA can only go really low on prices; therefore low yields.
The AA 767 is just not good enough anymore, for the german market.
And a seasonal 4x weekly operation will hardly return the investments AA has to make, considering the start-up costs - especially for security, as TXL's classification won't be on the low risk-end.
UA does EWR-TXL and DL offers JFK-TXL - and their equipment will be more appealing to the german customers!
Not having personal IFE will be a major issue, affecting the loads. So AA can only go really low on prices; therefore low yields.
The AA 767 is just not good enough anymore, for the german market.
And a seasonal 4x weekly operation will hardly return the investments AA has to make, considering the start-up costs - especially for security, as TXL's classification won't be on the low risk-end.