Dec 12, 2013, 4:10 pm
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AA / US Fleet & Aircraft Changes 2015 on (Discussion and Speculation)
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I'm interested in 2015 counts, especially on the regional side - I heard that ZW's contract is up this year and not sure what will happen there. 70 CR2s that AA can easily get rid of (I'm fairly sure they are ZW birds, not US planes sub-leased to ZW), but with fuel this low and no other customers for AirWis, ZW could offer a sweetheart deal to keep operating.
Does anyone know what planes Eagle is supposed to get this year?
Does anyone know what planes Eagle is supposed to get this year?
American Airlines Group to grow its regional fleet by 28 aircraft in 2015 even as it parks 21 ERJ140s
American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft
For related threads on officially announced fleet changes, see:American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft
AA Orders 60 Embraer 175 / E-175 + 30 Bombardier CRJ900
This thread deals with additions, withdrawals and changes to the combined AA and US fleet. please understand various sources may vary in their numbers and the airline may accelerate or slow aircraft disposition, or even change plans if operating conditions or expected deliveries change.
From the Dallas Morning News, 30 Jan 2015 <link>
American Airlines and US Airways to finish 2015 with 30 fewer aircraft, by Terry Maxon:
"Here are the year-end 2014 numbers compared to the projected numbers for the end of 2015:
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Fleet 2015 2014 Change % Airbus A319 125 118 7 5.9% Airbus A320 55 64 -9 -14.1% Airbus A321 174 139 35 25.2% Airbus A330-200 15 15 0 0% Airbus A330-300 9 9 0 0% Boeing 737-800 264 246 18 7.3% Boeing 757 69 106 -37 -34.9% Boeing 767-200 0 6 -6 -100% Boeing 767-300 49 58 -9 -15.5% Boeing 777-200 47 47 0 0% Boeing 777-300 18 16 2 12.5% Boeing 787-8 12 0 12 ∞ Embraer E190 20 20 0 0% MD-80 96 139 -43 -30.9% Total 953 983 -30 -3.1%
Link to Historical DMN article on AAG fleet changes in 2014
NOTE: Being customer codes can reveal information as well: AA is 23 (ergo the "777-223ER") and US is B7.
AA B767-223ER went to "the boneyard" at ROW 16 Feb 2015. (vorellanaj)
Other aircraft fleet and movements information sources:
Link to AIRFLEETS.NET
Link to AirplaneSpotter.net AA fleet details and history
Link to AirplaneSpotters.net US fleet and history
Link to FlightRadar24 AA fleet listing and flight routing
Link to FlightRadar24 US fleet listing and flight routing
Link to American Airlines fleet statistics
Link to US Airways fleet composition (no stats)
Link to FlightAware flight tracking
Link to FlightStats
AA / US Fleet & Aircraft Changes 2015 on (Discussion and Speculation)
Dec 11, 2013, 1:53 pm
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That said, these are ex-NW planes that were heavily refurbished in the '90s with interiors resembling the 717.
More here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...w-msp-atl.html
Dec 11, 2013, 2:12 pm
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Seems an odd choice, replacing aircraft with about 200 seats with ones that have 250-290 seats. From a capacity standpoint, wouldn't the 388 be a better substitute?
And another question is whether the combined airline will need all of the aircraft on order, or if there will be some consolidation there too?
And another question is whether the combined airline will need all of the aircraft on order, or if there will be some consolidation there too?
788/9 - It was commented on by mgmt that they expected to likely wind up exercising the options on the books right now (58 options + 42 Confirmed with the 12x788 / 20x789 split)
RJs - larger at the 76pax cap
As for the single aisle a32x/b738 (CEO/NEO and NG/MAX) - not sure about that.
*Edit: I was just doing some googling - does anyone happen to remember where the 787 order comment was made? I don't remember where exactly it was from. I think it was in an interview or mgmt presentation.
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Dec 12, 2013, 7:18 am
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Dec 12, 2013, 7:21 am
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I've said it before (elsewhere) and I'll say it again - I really really hope that DP has more sense than to spend money on re-doing the livery yet again. I'd far rather see the funds go to improving services and shoring up the Frequent Flyer program (as opposed to gutting it) than being wasted on a coat of paint to the outside of a metal tube that I'm sitting in (so I can't even see the paint job!). Re-doing the livery would be nothing short of a truly moronic waste of money IMO.
Dec 12, 2013, 7:44 am
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Just to be on the record (not that this mean anything at all) but I love the new tail. Love it.
That said, my gut tells me that something about the livery is going to change. I just hope it isn't an UA/CO style attempt to merge the two pre-merger airline liveries into one new livery because that resulted in a poor new UA livery.
That said, my gut tells me that something about the livery is going to change. I just hope it isn't an UA/CO style attempt to merge the two pre-merger airline liveries into one new livery because that resulted in a poor new UA livery.
Dec 12, 2013, 7:48 am
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ORD has been shifting to a higher and higher percentage of Eagle flights for several years now. Eagle (and Connection) has crept out of its G concourse confines into portions of H and L as a result. And the Republic E-175s, which started coming on-line this year, are being deployed out of ORD so far. I expect the 76-seat planes are what we see more of out of ORD going forward.
Dec 12, 2013, 8:12 am
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Dec 12, 2013, 8:27 am
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When it comes to the int'l fleet, I am wondering whether we'll see consolidation of different types at overseas stations. The 330s are a prime example; not sure whether it makes more sense to keep them consolidated here at PHL and CLT or consolidate them at int'l destinations (the way LHR used to be all 777 or CDG all 763). I could see this being a good way to offer true lie-flats in J to some of the more competitive destinations while awaiting the 763/772 conversions.
At the same time, I could see the US 762s being repurposed for short(er)-range, cargo-heavy routes where AA currently uses 763s, the passenger capacity of which isn't justified on the route.
I just don't think there will be a need for fuel thirsty dinosaurs in an airline with the better half of a thousand mainline aircraft in the estate, and hundreds more on order. I think the wager will be whether AA's or US's 762s find the desert first.
Dec 12, 2013, 8:35 am
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Dec 12, 2013, 8:48 am
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The AA rebrand had more to do with BK than a merger (though the two were related).
Dec 12, 2013, 8:59 am
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DL's livery was refreshed in 2007 (it wasn't a continental shift, as the delta widget was still present), and they merged with NW in 2008, keeping the newly refreshed DL livery.
Dec 12, 2013, 9:00 am
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I think using the 330s in this way would make a lot of sense, though from the perspective of timeline I don't know how feasible that is. Until labour groups are consolidated, US crews will have to run US planes, and there's a limit to the number of US bases. This will restrict (though not completely prevent) the combined airline's ability to run 330s out of legacy AA bases in the short term. After all, AA should be well on their way to completing their flat J conversions by this time next year, and I'd be very surprised if AA were flying under a single certificate with AA and US pilots integrated by that time.
I personally thing we'll see both airlines' 762s relegated to desert duty very soon... I just don't think there will be a need for fuel thirsty dinosaurs in an airline with the better half of a thousand mainline aircraft in the estate, and hundreds more on order. I think the wager will be whether AA's or US's 762s find the desert first.
I personally thing we'll see both airlines' 762s relegated to desert duty very soon...
I just don't think there will be a need for fuel thirsty dinosaurs in an airline with the better half of a thousand mainline aircraft in the estate, and hundreds more on order. I think the wager will be whether AA's or US's 762s find the desert first.As for the 762s I think you're also right about it being a race to the bottom. Perhaps it'll depend on maintenance records and whose are in better shape? However, unlike mingling the 763s, 777s and 330s, the two airlines' 762s cannot be swapped for one another, though I suppose the US 762s could be repurposed for ex-MIA transcon duty if they aren't retired before the two carriers operate under a single certificate...