Qatar Airways / QR: Redeem AA Miles for Award (master thd)
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Sep 4, 20, 6:43 am
#1306
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
AFAIK very few airlines allow US-ASIA on one award, exception being when booking on the same airline as miles are from. This has to to with with the world being separated into Zones. Zone 1 - the Americas, Zone 2 - Europe/Africa/ME, Zone 3 - Asia/Australia/ Ocenaic. You usually can only travel as a through fare direct from Zone to Zone. If you transit the Zone inbetween (Zone 2 in your case) you usually always must book a broken fare. The ME airlines are the main exceptions. However that means booking with them, which you cant do for OAL mile award.
AA does allow a transit in another region in some cases ; e.g. Europe to South Pacific allows for transit in Asia 1 or Asia 2 or Middle East
AA's zones are listed at https://www.aa.com/i18n/aadvantage-p...ward-chart.jsp
Generally, AA allows routings and airlines based on what the fares of the governing carrier permit with the added restriction that transits in a 3rd region are only permitted in specific cases
Sep 4, 20, 9:56 am
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Thank you all so much for the comments and insights, this is super helpful! I tried to reply as the messages came in but being new, it seems that I'm only allowed so many posts.
The clarifications have given me a better idea on what to expect! If I want to book with QR, it will be 2 awards, if I don't mind JAL or Cathay, 1 award would suffice. Considering I've always wanted to try Q Suites, 2 awards it is. Don't know if availability will be this good/easy in the future when travel picks up.
On a related note, what are you thoughts on booking the ticket if I don't have sufficient points? Can I just book one way first and then book the return leg when I have sufficient points (understand that it may no longer be available)? Or should I hold off until I have sufficient points and book it all as one? I'm looking to open the Barclay's Aviator Red for the 60,000 bonus which would cover the shortage but not sure how long it would take to post.
Thank you again!
The clarifications have given me a better idea on what to expect! If I want to book with QR, it will be 2 awards, if I don't mind JAL or Cathay, 1 award would suffice. Considering I've always wanted to try Q Suites, 2 awards it is. Don't know if availability will be this good/easy in the future when travel picks up.
On a related note, what are you thoughts on booking the ticket if I don't have sufficient points? Can I just book one way first and then book the return leg when I have sufficient points (understand that it may no longer be available)? Or should I hold off until I have sufficient points and book it all as one? I'm looking to open the Barclay's Aviator Red for the 60,000 bonus which would cover the shortage but not sure how long it would take to post.
Thank you again!
Sep 4, 20, 2:25 pm
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All AA awards are one way awards - you can purchase the outbound now and then book the return later
The only risk is if you end up cancelling the journey and it is within 60 days of the departure dates, then you will be up for 2 cancellation penalties
The only risk is if you end up cancelling the journey and it is within 60 days of the departure dates, then you will be up for 2 cancellation penalties
Sep 4, 20, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
All AA awards are one way awards - you can purchase the outbound now and then book the return later
The only risk is if you end up cancelling the journey and it is within 60 days of the departure dates, then you will be up for 2 cancellation penalties
The only risk is if you end up cancelling the journey and it is within 60 days of the departure dates, then you will be up for 2 cancellation penalties
Appreciate you imparting your knowledge to me!
Sep 4, 20, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by trixter
Thank you all so much for the comments and insights, this is super helpful! I tried to reply as the messages came in but being new, it seems that I'm only allowed so many posts.
The clarifications have given me a better idea on what to expect! If I want to book with QR, it will be 2 awards, if I don't mind JAL or Cathay, 1 award would suffice. Considering I've always wanted to try Q Suites, 2 awards it is. Don't know if availability will be this good/easy in the future when travel picks up.
On a related note, what are you thoughts on booking the ticket if I don't have sufficient points? Can I just book one way first and then book the return leg when I have sufficient points (understand that it may no longer be available)? Or should I hold off until I have sufficient points and book it all as one? I'm looking to open the Barclay's Aviator Red for the 60,000 bonus which would cover the shortage but not sure how long it would take to post.
Thank you again!
The clarifications have given me a better idea on what to expect! If I want to book with QR, it will be 2 awards, if I don't mind JAL or Cathay, 1 award would suffice. Considering I've always wanted to try Q Suites, 2 awards it is. Don't know if availability will be this good/easy in the future when travel picks up.
On a related note, what are you thoughts on booking the ticket if I don't have sufficient points? Can I just book one way first and then book the return leg when I have sufficient points (understand that it may no longer be available)? Or should I hold off until I have sufficient points and book it all as one? I'm looking to open the Barclay's Aviator Red for the 60,000 bonus which would cover the shortage but not sure how long it would take to post.
Thank you again!
Good luck - Jamie
Sep 4, 20, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
Small point, but 110k miles for CX F USA-Asia is a better product than Q Suites. The issue is if you want to book the Q Quad and need four awards (again, actually 8 awards, 110k per pair). In that case, the novelty factor of sharing a family meal or playing cards - not to mention the near-impossibility of nailing four CX F awards - makes QR a better deal. It's a novel product, all right, but the service/food/wine/PJs/exclusivity/lav-ratio/lounge quality doesn't measure up to CX F. QR J trounces every other J product I've ever flown, but not CX or JL F.
Good luck - Jamie
Good luck - Jamie
Return is in December so have some time to think about it.
Sep 4, 20, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
Small point, but 110k miles for CX F USA-Asia is a better product than Q Suites. The issue is if you want to book the Q Quad and need four awards (again, actually 8 awards, 110k per pair). In that case, the novelty factor of sharing a family meal or playing cards - not to mention the near-impossibility of nailing four CX F awards - makes QR a better deal. It's a novel product, all right, but the service/food/wine/PJs/exclusivity/lav-ratio/lounge quality doesn't measure up to CX F. QR J trounces every other J product I've ever flown, but not CX or JL F.
Good luck - Jamie
Good luck - Jamie
Sep 4, 20, 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Haven't flown CX in recent years but unless they've got a similar 'suite' arrangement, QR's arrangement for a friendly couple with nothing more in mind than holding hands while napping can be pretty awesome.
Sep 4, 20, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
AFAIK very few airlines allow US-ASIA on one award, exception being when booking on the same airline as miles are from. This has to to with with the world being separated into Zones. Zone 1 - the Americas, Zone 2 - Europe/Africa/ME, Zone 3 - Asia/Australia/ Ocenaic. You usually can only travel as a through fare direct from Zone to Zone. If you transit the Zone inbetween (Zone 2 in your case) you usually always must book a broken fare. The ME airlines are the main exceptions. However that means booking with them, which you cant do for OAL mile award.
Originally Posted by flyerCO
As far as baggage and BPs, QR will check you in across tickets. They will treat you as if your destination on 2nd ticket was your destination on the 1st. (Thus they'll treat you as connecting at DOH, not arriving)
If you have a flight on AA as your first flight (ie domestic flight to PHL), AA only checks when on one ticket or on separate only when there's a request due to medical issue. (Meaning involving right under ACA to require a policy accommodation)
If you have a flight on AA as your first flight (ie domestic flight to PHL), AA only checks when on one ticket or on separate only when there's a request due to medical issue. (Meaning involving right under ACA to require a policy accommodation)
Sep 4, 20, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
Haven't flown CX in recent years but unless they've got a similar 'suite' arrangement, QR's arrangement for a friendly couple with nothing more in mind than holding hands while napping can be pretty awesome.
Sep 4, 20, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
CX F is a very nice product, but very private. There's no way two (or more) people can interact without one leaving his or her seat. It's quite different from QR's Qsuite, where two to four people can share a very private space where they are open to each other. JL F does have paired seats in the center where a couple can interact during the flight.
The question isn’t whether CX F is better than QR J. It’s whether they’re worth the same number of miles. I don’t believe they are.
Sep 4, 20, 7:39 pm
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
You can dine together in the CX Suite, but it’s not crazy comfortable. And you can hang in the superior CX lounges. For us, the flights is mostly about books and movies, not a 17 hr conversation.
Originally Posted by jamienbaker
The question isn’t whether CX F is better than QR J. It’s whether they’re worth the same number of miles. I don’t believe they are.
Sep 5, 20, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
AA, UA, DL, AS, all allow booking U.S. to Asia as one award, using their own or partner metal. IATA zones have nothing to do with any of this.
In a post just above your post I explained how to book paid and award flights in one record, which allows through-checking of bags.
In a post just above your post I explained how to book paid and award flights in one record, which allows through-checking of bags.
Airlines do divide the three global zones further into smaller zones, and place additional restrictions based on those. However my post was only in regards to the issue of why can't go US-EU-ASIA on one award, even if it's a better routing.
In general except for ME airlines, airlines follow the not transiting three zone rule. It's the one routing rule that still is generally observed by all but ME airlines.
Sep 5, 20, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
I never said you can't get one award from US-ASIA. What you cant usually (note usually not always) do is one award going across all three global zones. Thus US-EU-ASIA isn't generally allowed. US-ASIA-ASIA is only two zones, thus allowed.
Airlines do divide the three global zones further into smaller zones, and place additional restrictions based on those. However my post was only in regards to the issue of why can't go US-EU-ASIA on one award, even if it's a better routing.
In general except for ME airlines, airlines follow the not transiting three zone rule. It's the one routing rule that still is generally observed by all but ME airlines.
Airlines do divide the three global zones further into smaller zones, and place additional restrictions based on those. However my post was only in regards to the issue of why can't go US-EU-ASIA on one award, even if it's a better routing.
In general except for ME airlines, airlines follow the not transiting three zone rule. It's the one routing rule that still is generally observed by all but ME airlines.
Just a datapoint, not trying to take this thread further afield. Best to all - Jamie
Sep 5, 20, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by bdubs7
I'm looking to book J for 2 peoeple from JFK-DOH-MLE in oct 2020. I can find award availability on JFK-DOH, but nothing for DOH-MLE, not even in economy. weirdly, there is economy available everyday in september, and a few days available last week of october, but not for the rest of october. Does anyone know why? Is it due to them not loading the october 2020 schedule yet or something?
Also likelihood that it opens up in J?
Thanks!
Also likelihood that it opens up in J?
Thanks!
