Oct 16, 2013, 1:25 pm
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ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
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"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
(lower right wiki corner)Route and General Discussion new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG Routes
ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
Signed in members with 90 days / 90 posts can edit this Wikipost; wiki contents may be printed by using the
(lower right wiki corner)"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG Starting Summer 2014 [route discussion]
Oct 16, 2013, 6:11 pm
#93
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MIA is far. According to GCM, MIA-HKG is 8990 miles, or 7812 nautical miles. Boeing lists the maximum range of the 777-300ER as 7825 nautical miles. Not doable without a refueling stop, I don't think.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
It looks like this one is being timed to connect to the South America flights, if it does become a popular route, why not add another flight that is timed more for US connections on the departure and Asian connections on the arrival (i.e. leave night - arrive morning)?
Oct 16, 2013, 6:18 pm
#94
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Extremely excited for these 2 routes even if they require an overnight in either MIA or DFW for us to make connection. Hoping for F award avail and C SWU avail, DFW-HKG might become holy grail of new MRs as it combines distance of China without visa costs. Will definitely be on at least 1 and hopefully more next year.
Oct 16, 2013, 6:46 pm
#95
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This is great news!! American 3 class to HKG. This is the best plane out of US carriers. United out of SFO and ORD have 3 class as well. This will place Delta as the only US airline without an F option to HKG. Delta seems to be the least premium airline to HKG after American starts! Great work American!
Oct 16, 2013, 6:50 pm
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This is great news!! American 3 class to HKG. This is the best plane out of US carriers. United out of SFO and ORD have 3 class as well. This will place Delta as the only US airline without an F option to HKG. Delta seems to be the least premium airline to HKG after American starts! Great work American!
Oct 16, 2013, 6:51 pm
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Extremely excited for these 2 routes even if they require an overnight in either MIA or DFW for us to make connection. Hoping for F award avail and C SWU avail, DFW-HKG might become holy grail of new MRs as it combines distance of China without visa costs. Will definitely be on at least 1 and hopefully more next year.
Oct 16, 2013, 7:03 pm
#99
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I agree that CX F is much better than AA F, but now the hard product are essentially equal I'm not sure that's the case with CX J vs. AA J. Food wise, I'd give the edge to AA. CX J catering is nothing to write home about. In regards to liquid nutrition, CX has a bit of an edge there. Service wise, it's a draw in my opinion. CX J has been hit or miss IME, as has AA J. Personally, I'd take a good AA crew over an average CX crew.
Oct 16, 2013, 7:18 pm
#100
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If DFW-NRT, DFW-ICN allows a lot of eVIPs to clear, I am not sure DFW-HKG becomes the toughest route to upgrade. A huge amount of traffic comes directly from NYC area(4x ex-JFK, soon 1x ex-EWR), so taking me to DFW is definitely fine especially you can almost have almost 9500 EQM for one-way.
Oct 16, 2013, 7:19 pm
#101
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Given the number of times I have flown a connecting flight to NRT to ride in one of the DFW flights, I can only say - it is about time.
On a more practical level however, AA and CX must somehow resolve the issue of H class CX fares in regional SE Asia (and Australia) as the lowest class that will credit to the AA FF program. As well, AA code shares on CX flights will have to increase. Perhaps
even with CX HKG to PER (to the aggravation of QF)
I suppose one alternative would be to have a CX code on DFW-HKG (and a guaranteed MCE seat) connecting with CX Y+ product which covers Australia and is being expanded into SEAsia. And all the Y+ fares will credit to AA.
Here's hoping that I continue my wandering
Fred
On a more practical level however, AA and CX must somehow resolve the issue of H class CX fares in regional SE Asia (and Australia) as the lowest class that will credit to the AA FF program. As well, AA code shares on CX flights will have to increase. Perhaps
even with CX HKG to PER (to the aggravation of QF)I suppose one alternative would be to have a CX code on DFW-HKG (and a guaranteed MCE seat) connecting with CX Y+ product which covers Australia and is being expanded into SEAsia. And all the Y+ fares will credit to AA.
Here's hoping that I continue my wandering
Fred
Oct 16, 2013, 8:40 pm
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Oct 16, 2013, 9:36 pm
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This. If a flight is longer than 12 hours, there's no way to use the same plane on a turn on the same day. From comments upthread, it sounds like ex-DFW times are aligned with South American arrivals; I'm assuming the return is aligned with inbound CX connections ex-HKG.
(Or it was just the slot they were given.)
(Or it was just the slot they were given.)
Cheers,
AA777
Last edited by AA777; Oct 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm