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ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
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"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
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ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
Signed in members with 90 days / 90 posts can edit this Wikipost; wiki contents may be printed by using the
(lower right wiki corner)"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG Starting Summer 2014 [route discussion]
Oct 16, 2013, 3:11 pm
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yep PEK still the 777-200. was able to get exit on the outbound but the only seats taken on the return are exit. I'm hoping to find a Evip swap so i can attempt to get in J. I have only flown intl Y once and that was in UA E+ with empty set of 3 so i dont know how well this is going to go.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:12 pm
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Oct 16, 2013, 3:20 pm
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MIA is far. According to GCM, MIA-HKG is 8990 miles, or 7812 nautical miles. Boeing lists the maximum range of the 777-300ER as 7825 nautical miles. Not doable without a refueling stop, I don't think.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:40 pm
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MIA is far. According to GCM, MIA-HKG is 8990 miles, or 7812 nautical miles. Boeing lists the maximum range of the 777-300ER as 7825 nautical miles. Not doable without a refueling stop, I don't think.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
If the DFW-HKG route proves very popular, I see the ORD-HKG route more likely, on which CX only has one daily flight. Possibly LAX, but there are already three daily CX flights from there. JFK is already quite saturated by CX, and JFK-HKG must also rely mostly on O&D traffic.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:41 pm
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I take it this is good news as well regarding my One World Explorer options for next summer too
Just got to get the jump on it when seats are released
I was able to do this for DFW-SYD on QF so why not DFW HKG
awesome news anyway
Just got to get the jump on it when seats are released
I was able to do this for DFW-SYD on QF so why not DFW HKG
awesome news anyway
Oct 16, 2013, 3:44 pm
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Sure, AA could try that, but since JAL already has SIN covered in a joint venture with AA, it would make no sense for AA to fly its own metal to SIN. As I've posted before, AA won't be duplicating JAL's Tokyo hubs anymore than AA will duplicate BA's hub from LHR.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:45 pm
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yep PEK still the 777-200. was able to get exit on the outbound but the only seats taken on the return are exit. I'm hoping to find a Evip swap so i can attempt to get in J. I have only flown intl Y once and that was in UA E+ with empty set of 3 so i dont know how well this is going to go.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:48 pm
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OTOH, it's gotten harder rather than easier to get codeshare seats past Tokyo, and mile-earning on JL-ticketed seats has not liberalized any (plus the weird "teaser fares" that than show up no seats available are still there on AA.com and ITA more often than not.)
Oct 16, 2013, 3:56 pm
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Besides, I don't see AA starting Asia service out of MIA. It looks like they are focused on growing DFW at the moment. Expansion to Asia out of JFK would be welcome (to me, at least), but that doesn't look like it's happening either. A 787 might be able to fly the route, but I don't see them doing it. MIA is also poorly positioned for domestic feeder flights, so it would have to depend mainly on O&D traffic as well as connecting traffic from S. America, but DFW captures a lot of that traffic too.
Relying on O&D isn't much of an issue - Miami-Asia is approaching 500 PDEW, and Florida-Asia (logical connecting points) doubles that number. MCONRT and MIAMNL are larger markets than DFWNRT.
Oct 16, 2013, 3:56 pm
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Obviously a single plane can't continually do a 12 hour flight between the same 2 points unless we end up with 26-28 hour days. But surely the plane could have left HKG without spending the night there if AA had the slots (or the desire).
Separately, you can add SAN and SNA to the list of west coast cities that meet the MCT to the DFW-HKG flight. But LAX would be much much easier, absent concerns about upgrades of course.
Oct 16, 2013, 4:31 pm
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I don't understand this comment in relation the quote to which you were replying. You're not saying there's some requirement that a plane sit on the ground for a specific period of time after a flight this long, right?
Obviously a single plane can't continually do a 12 hour flight between the same 2 points unless we end up with 26-28 hour days. But surely the plane could have left HKG without spending the night there if AA had the slots (or the desire.
Obviously a single plane can't continually do a 12 hour flight between the same 2 points unless we end up with 26-28 hour days. But surely the plane could have left HKG without spending the night there if AA had the slots (or the desire.
Oct 16, 2013, 4:43 pm
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Are the pilots OK with flying these long routes? I remember there being a cap on how long AA pilots can fly a route - this was an issue that derailed AA's DFW-PEK application a few years ago.
Actually, AA has been slowly shrinking at JFK, dropping several international routes. With heavy competition, slot restrictions, and congestion I think it's more likely AA drops NYC from its cornerstones.
Unfortunately I think JFK-based Asia expansion will be slow due to (1) high cost of ultra-long haul flights, (2) existing UA competition on PEK, PVG, NRT, and HKG, (3) competition from superior Asian carriers, and (4) limited feed compared to UA at EWR. Furthermore, AA has been somewhat slow to put its money where its mouth is in terms of making NYC a real cornerstone. Its already hindered by having the cornerstone split between two heavily-restricted airports. But still, they just don't seem that aggressive about making a real NYC-push.
Oct 16, 2013, 5:04 pm
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India is a 3rd option for 5th freedom. There is less competition and for O&D, but will the yields be high enough? And which Indian city should it be? CCU would have been great because of it's location in eastern India where local partner 9W could feed domestically to other parts of the country, but too bad the state government of West Bengal caused the city to decline from India's economic powerhouse to nothing.
Oct 16, 2013, 5:06 pm
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CONGRATULATION AA!!!
Finally AA fly to HKG! This is amazing news for AA and DFW.
Finally the missing piece of the OW Transpacific network is complete: AA to HKG and connecting DFW and HKG OW hubs!
OW have absolute domination on HKG-USA Market now:
AA 1x daily DFW
CX 4x daily LAX
CX 3x daily JFK
CX 1x daily EWR
CX 2x daily SFO
CX 10x weekly ORD
versus
DL daily to SEA
UA daily to ORD
UA daily to EWR
UA daily to SFO
SQ daily to SFO
Finally AA fly to HKG! This is amazing news for AA and DFW.
Finally the missing piece of the OW Transpacific network is complete: AA to HKG and connecting DFW and HKG OW hubs!
OW have absolute domination on HKG-USA Market now:
AA 1x daily DFW
CX 4x daily LAX
CX 3x daily JFK
CX 1x daily EWR
CX 2x daily SFO
CX 10x weekly ORD
versus
DL daily to SEA
UA daily to ORD
UA daily to EWR
UA daily to SFO
SQ daily to SFO
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