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Old Oct 14, 2014, 10:32 am
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Help with British Airways and Iberia Carrier Imposed Surcharges

Using AAdvantage miles for awards using British Airways generally* incurs very high carrier imposed surcharges / fees (BA charges their own BAEC flyers these for Avios redemptions as well). AA awards on IB incur considerably lower fees (~$50 one way transatlantic is quoted by one member, the link to travelisfree.com below gives a BA flight with $458 YQ, IB $96). One FTer claims $700 BA YQ fees for SAN-PRG return, which is not unusual). You are likely to find lots of availability on BA using the aa.com award booking facility.

Intra-European awards using BA have significantly lower carrier imposed charges; some members may find using AA or other partner transatlantic connecting to BA may be acceptable.

NOTE: Paying YQ may trigger a host of other taxes and fees otherwise not charged on awards that do not include carrier imposed surcharges such as YQ. Flights within the Americas are YQ exempt.

As this is still flying on an award, these carrier imposed surcharges do not qualify for EQM or EQD earning.

Be sure to read the oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on thread wiki for information on searching for and finding alternative flights or those not shown on aa.com, which airlines' websites can find those, etc.

Read more about BA Carrier Imposed Surcharges on AA awards here (rrgg supplied most of these below:

Fuel Surcharge for AA award redemptions on BA are up - again.
Partner airline awards now bookable on AA.com (AB, AS, AY, BA, HA, HG, QF, RJ, US)
Does AA push most of its European Awards to BA to collect fuel surcharges?

Charts from TravelIsFree for the three alliances and how you will pay (or avoid) YQ: http://travelisfree.com/2014/04/15/m...surcharges-yq/

HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance
AA oneworld and Other Airline ("All Partner") Award information, rules (2015 on)

Originating a flight in the UK incurs an Air Passenger Duty, reduced for seats with less than 40" seat pitch (except those originating from originating in BFS / Northern Ireland, Scottish Highlands (INV) or Islands, and connections less than 24 hours do not incur UK Air Passenger Duty, though they do incur airport Passenger Service Charges). Separate topic, dealt with:

UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures (Master Thread); defines what the APD is in the wikipost.
Avoiding crazy UK "APD" taxes when transferring through LHR on separate tickets

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Old Sep 5, 2023, 1:40 pm
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Originally Posted by PHL
If you drill into that, is it actually both legs or just, for example, JFK-MIA with the long haul being in coach?
Both legs:

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Old Sep 5, 2023, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by beachfan
Have a source for a compilation of BA,s YQ by departure city? I have a trip planned that ended with a week in London , and realized I can just go to a cheaper departure city for 2-3 days (thinking Brussels).
I haven't but your question inspired me. Total taxes and fees for an all-BA business class award XXX-LHR-JFK for a random date in January. The BA surcharge portion is actually pretty constant now at $269 for departures from most European countries with Spain the glaring exception at $592. The other differences are due to local departure taxes.

Ireland: DUB-LHR-JFK $317.35
Luxembourg: LUX-LHR-JFK $372.25
Finland: HEL-LHR-JFK $379.05
Poland: WAW-LHR-JFK $382.15
Denmark: CPH-LHR-JFK $384.95
Italy: MXP-LHR-JFK $390.45
Czech: PRG-LHR-JFK $390.45
Portugal: LIS-LHR-JFK $395.25
Greece: ATH-LHR-JFK $396.45
Hungary: BUD-LHR-JFK $396.55
Sweden: ARN-LHR-JFK $402.35
Norway: OSL-LHR-JFK $401.95
Belgium: BRU-LHR-JFK $403.15
Austria: VIE-LHR-JFK $406.05
Netherlands: AMS-LHR-JFK $427.85
France: CDG-LHR-JFK $466.65
Switzerland: ZRH-LHR-JFK $469.85
Germany: FRA-LHR-JFK $471.95
Spain: MAD-LHR-JFK $704.15
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Old Sep 5, 2023, 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JJeffrey
I haven't but your question inspired me. Total taxes and fees for an all-BA business class award XXX-LHR-JFK for a random date in January. The BA surcharge portion is actually pretty constant now at $269 for departures from most European countries with Spain the glaring exception at $592. The other differences are due to local departure taxes.

Spain: MAD-LHR-JFK $704.15
Of course, on a random date in January, you might find a 57.5K MAD-LHR-JFK Business Class award with AA as the trans-Atlantic carrier.

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Old Sep 7, 2023, 1:12 am
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Dublin it is!

only drawback vs BRU is I can’t take the train! But the winner in terms of fees.
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Old Dec 6, 2023, 6:33 am
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I was looking to upgrade from PE to Club LHR-MEX with onbusiness points. The YQ difference is £700. That seems outrageous. There's no other way to do it I suppose?
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