ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J
Dec 17, 18, 11:13 pm - Wikipost
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as “777” on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.
- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.
The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:
37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)
link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018
- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.
- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion
NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.
If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, it’s a Zodiac “Concept D” Business Suite equipped aircraft.
If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), it’s a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.
NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, it’s a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.
Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.
The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.
There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:
13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.
6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.
The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"
NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.
NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)
That means there will be two different new business class seats on American’s reconfigured 777-200s:
They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.
Here’s the full detail on American’s seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:
"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.
The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat." AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal
For the full article see here for Gary's full information.
The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leff’s article.
The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:
"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018
Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.
The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):
Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018
Program details:
AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
First class is eliminated
Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.
New cabin configuration - second wave of conversions "37J/252Y", starting end of 2015:
"45J/215Y" seat map from AA.com. Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours. Rows 13 DEH, 18 DEH and 37 DEGH are not available for advance seat selection.
"45J/215Y" business class seat alignment - forward/rear facing (note--seatguru.com is incorrect; below is correct):
Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)
The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):
Widebody "C" Checks
Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
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Originally Posted by dingo
I still don't know how to tell them apart. We were on one 777 from JFK to MXP the Friday before Thanksgiving and another one on the way back the day after Thanksgiving. On the way back, all in party agreed that the plane was the best we'd been on (we've only flown US, AA and LH biz years ago). On the way over, the two forwards facing seats were cramped and tight.
Of course we had the mixed bag of service. "Would you like dessert?" "What do you have?" "Oh, it's all listed in the menu." I've had worse service...better as well.
The Zodiac Concept D Businesses Suite aircraft are configured yin-yang with forward and aft facing seats. AA shows aft-facing seats as having notches. SeatGuru “version 1” seat chart here. (NOTE: This chart falsely doesn’t show PE, depicting MCE where PE is now.)
The B/E Aerospace Super Diamond aircraft are configured in a reverse herringbone, all seats face forward at an angle. SeatGuru “version 2” 777 chart here.
Below, see 772-Zodiac above, 772 Super Diamond below, c/o SeatGuru.
There is no more High 45J 772 in service, N795N is leaving PAE this afternoon and the last one (N759AN) arrived 2 days ago at PAE from TUL, it will be done by next week for sure.
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Originally Posted by fedechat
There is no more High 45J 772 in service, N795N is leaving PAE this afternoon and the last one (N759AN) arrived 2 days ago at PAE from TUL, it will be done by next week for sure.
And with that:
NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new “Which 777-200ER?” thread here.
Any posts later than that announcement have moved to that thread.
Dec 17, 18, 11:13 pm - Wikipost
