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Old Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new Which 777-200ER? thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as 777 on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.

- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.

The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:

37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)

link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018


- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.

- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion

NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, its a Zodiac Concept D Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), its a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.


Boeing 777-223ER 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)

FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION

See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the 45 777s

See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.

See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.

See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, its a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.

See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff

See HAECO interviews AA article here.

Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.

The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.

There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:

13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.

6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.

The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"

NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.

NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)

That means there will be two different new business class seats on Americans reconfigured 777-200s:

They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.

Heres the full detail on Americans seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:

"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.

The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal

For the full article see here for Gary's full information.

The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leffs article.

The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:

"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:

None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018

"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*


"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*


Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.

The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):

N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN

The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE

Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018


Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018


Program details:
  • AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
    • Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
      • First class is eliminated
        • Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
          • Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
            • Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
              • Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
                • International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
                  • In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
                    • A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
                      • All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
      • New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
        • 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
          • 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
            • 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.


See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.

See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.

See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)

The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):

Widebody "C" Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
    • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
      • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.

For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.

ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J


Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates

updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
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ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J

Old Aug 4, 2018, 9:24 am
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Have you checked SeatGuru?
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Old Aug 4, 2018, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by dingo
I've got a flight booked from JFK to Milan in November. Ive only flown aas 330 and 767 in business and am trying to figure out what seats are on this route. I have read there are good and bad biz seats and just want to know what lies ahead. Is there a way I can tell if they are the zodiac or the bae seats?

Also im a party of three with a child being one of those three. Any suggestions on seats to select?
I think you will be on the 777-200 with refurbished (new) seats in 1-2-1 config. There are 12 rows of seats in J-cabin. With a child, you might consider reserving D & H and the adjacent window seat (either A or L). Personally, I prefer rows 3 & 4 OR 9 & 10 (away from galley and toilets).
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Old Aug 4, 2018, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by kpfleming
Have you checked SeatGuru?
I don't think SeatGuru is reliable for distinguishing whether you get Zodiac or BAE on the refurbed 772s.

Originally Posted by allset2travel
I think you will be on the 777-200 with refurbished (new) seats in 1-2-1 config. There are 12 rows of seats in J-cabin. With a child, you might consider reserving D & H and the adjacent window seat (either A or L). Personally, I prefer rows 3 & 4 OR 9 & 10 (away from galley and toilets).
I think OP is aware that OP is getting a refurbed 772 but wants to know which of the various variants. And I think the answer is "check the tail number on flight radar otherwise you probably won't know for sure until AA.com updates the seat maps to indicate whether any seats are rear-facing about a day before check in," but I'm not 100% sure on that. Unfortunately, I think we have several threads on this forum dedicated to that topic, and I couldn't quickly figure out which threads corresponded to which question. (Much of the commentary in at least one of the threads, however, appears dedicated to whether the commentary in that thread belongs in that thread or another one!)

Calling JDiver to clarify/merge?
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Old Aug 4, 2018, 3:05 pm
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First, read

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...under-way.html. There are two “flavors” of 772 Business seats, the all-seats-face-forward Super Diamond seated aircraft and the “ying and yang” face-forward-and-aft Zodiac.

Once you look at your PNR to see the seat selection chart to determine which version of 777-223ER you’re flying, see

Best Seat 777-200 “772” 37J Super Diamond Business Class

or

Best Seat 777-200 “772” 37J & 45J Zodiac (Aft & Fwd) Business, as needed.

And keep checking until close to departure, because equipment changes can occur. They’ve certainly happened to me when I’ve flown on 772s.
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Old Aug 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
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Thanks folks; was away on some unplugged vaca w/ the family.

I've changed my seats to be in row 9 for both flights; facing forward on the front/back facing seats. I was hoping we'd be on one of the planes w/ the good seats, but will be happy to be in the ok seats.
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Old Aug 27, 2018, 12:23 pm
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OK so not sure this is the right thread but I couldn't find a master thread for the 772 main cabin, PE. The last one out there was closed.

I have a Premium Economy flight booked from CDG-MIA, currently have two seats together by the window for my wife and I. Row 15. Row 13 AB, on the bulkhead row just opened up. Anyone flown the bulkhead and have thoughts? Being over 6' I find the full legrest more supportive and comfortable than the little footrest, having to stow your items overhead the the swing out screen aren't horrible, but if overall legroom will be compromised at the bulkhead or the legrest isn't that nice on these seats, I would rather stay where I am and have the normal IFE screen. Any thoughts?
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Old Aug 29, 2018, 9:13 pm
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I know 10-across in the back on the 777 is going to be hell, but is there any difference between the economy seats on the 772 and 77W? Flying transatlantic between JFK and LHR/BCN/FCO. There is a 767 to MAD but I am not sure if it will be swapped out by next summer. Thanks.

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Old Aug 30, 2018, 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by fallinasleep
I know 10-across in the back on the 777 is going to be hell, but is there any difference between the economy seats on the 772 and 77W? Flying transatlantic between JFK and LHR/BCN/FCO. There is a 767 to MAD but I am not sure if it will be swapped out by next summer. Thanks.
If you're flying in the Spring / Summer 2019, then there's no difference in the 77W and 772 Y seats.

However, if you're flight before that ex-JFK, you're likely going to be on one of the remaining 12 772's that are not refitted with PE... hence still having a 3-3-3 MCE cabin, which is a very big step up from the Y seats further back, and different than the 77W, which went to 3-4-3 all the way through in Y after the PE conversions.
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Status of 777-200 Retrofits?

Has there really been no progress on the 777-200 retrofits since February? In March, I booked premium economy on a flight JFK-EZE leaving late November. A month later, in April, I get an email from American moving us down to regular economy -- they updated the plane info with a non-retrofit aircraft. I called American a few times - took awhile to get someone who even knew what I was talking about with the retrofit process. Finally got someone who suggested we wait a couple months in case they replaced the plane again. (I did get succeed in getting her to move us back to the PE row in case the switch back happened - with the initial bump, American kicked us all the way back to row 30-something!) Fast forward, the seat map for our flight is still showing a non-retrofit 772 and I'm kind of pissed. The only reason we booked with American was to give premium economy a try. If we were going to get stuck flying economy, we could have booked for cheaper with Delta. I feel pretty taken advantage of with the whole situation. Why let us book PE and then take it away? Any thoughts on the odds of us getting a retrofit plane over the next two months?

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Old Sep 21, 2018, 9:26 am
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AA likely thought at one time the 772 fleet would be fully converted and refitted with PE by the time you fly. For some reason we don’t know, the 772 45 Zodiac seat aircraft have not been retrofitted to J 37 with PE. See here for the configurations. I suspect EZE is a market better suited for J 45, so I’m guessing only these aircraft will be dispatched on this route for now, and your only hope would be an equipment substitution for a J 37 bird, which would also require downgrading some unhappy customers - not likely Dispatch will do this unless it’s a total urgency to get a new aircraft on that route, from my perspective.

If you can do so without disrupting your schedule ovverly, I’d suggest requesting rerouting to a normally PE equipped flight.

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Old Sep 21, 2018, 10:24 am
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Thanks, appreciate your thoughts. We'll likely try to go the re-route option. It's interesting, because right now, only 10/45 zodiac seats are sold. Maybe they get more last minute business travel to EZE and those will fill in, but right now, it's wide open, which doesn't suggest an overwhelming need for those extra 8 business class seats.
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Originally Posted by kksquared
Thanks, appreciate your thoughts. We'll likely try to go the re-route option. It's interesting, because right now, only 10/45 zodiac seats are sold. Maybe they get more last minute business travel to EZE and those will fill in, but right now, it's wide open, which doesn't suggest an overwhelming need for those extra 8 business class seats.
Sold, or assigned? I dont know the pattern of seat sales to EZE - though Revenue Management certainly would - in terms of early or late sales. Good luck on your reroute. Well all be happy once theres a fleet with 37 J and PE to avoid the inevitable customer inconveniences.
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I’ve read through the wiki and still confused. I’m flying rdu-lhr on AA 174 on 11/17. The aa map doesn’t differentiate what seats are forward or backward facing. I chose 8L. Is that forward facing? Frustrating.
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On aa174 11/17 the seat with the "divet" in the top of AA's seatmap actually faces backwards. 8L does face forward.
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Originally Posted by LCSinTexas
On aa174 11/17 the seat with the "divet" in the top of AA's seatmap actually faces backwards. 8L does face forward.
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