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ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J

Old Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new Which 777-200ER? thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as 777 on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.

- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.

The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:

37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)

link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018


- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.

- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion

NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, its a Zodiac Concept D Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), its a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.


Boeing 777-223ER 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)

FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION

See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the 45 777s

See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.

See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.

See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, its a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.

See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff

See HAECO interviews AA article here.

Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.

The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.

There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:

13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.

6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.

The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"

NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.

NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)

That means there will be two different new business class seats on Americans reconfigured 777-200s:

They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.

Heres the full detail on Americans seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:

"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.

The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal

For the full article see here for Gary's full information.

The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leffs article.

The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:

"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:

None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018

"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*


"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*


Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.

The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):

N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN

The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE

Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018


Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018


Program details:
  • AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
    • Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
      • First class is eliminated
        • Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
          • Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
            • Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
              • Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
                • International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
                  • In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
                    • A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
                      • All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
      • New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
        • 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
          • 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
            • 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.


See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.

See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.

See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)

The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):

Widebody "C" Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
    • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
      • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.

For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.

ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J


Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates

updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
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ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J

Old Nov 17, 2017, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by kar don
Thanks! We are in 14 J and L right now in regular MCE, if it gets swapped to PEY do we automatically get assigned the same seats in PEY MCE?
From my own experience yes, you should be able to keep your current MCE seats because they are treated as MCE seats until they start selling PEY on that route (Dec 15 2017 for a couple of routes). Keep in mind you will see the aircraft registration number on flightradar24 at T48 but the AA seat map will not change until T36~T24 (or T12).
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by fedechat
From my own experience yes, you should be able to keep your current MCE seats because they are treated as MCE seats until they start selling PEY on that route (Dec 15 2017 for a couple of routes). Keep in mind you will see the aircraft registration number on flightradar24 at T48 but the AA seat map will not change until T36~T24 (or T12).

Thanks! Very helpful... just looked and your times are spot on! Love it.
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 6:25 pm
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Tail number implies premium economy but the seat map still is old as of check in. T-12?

Originally Posted by kar don
Thanks! Very helpful... just looked and your times are spot on! Love it.
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 9:49 pm
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Version of 777

Hi and thanks for any help on this. I booked a flight on American from Dallas to OGG and they changed my airplane to a 777. Is there a way to tell what version 777 I have? There is ALOT of differences in the seats on the American Airline 777s. I have a first class ticket but from what I have read they only had first class on version 1 777s and they no longer fly them. Another site I looked at you can put your flight number in and it is suppose to tell you what your flying on and it says 777 Ver 1.
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 10:24 pm
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I'm guessing the other site is Seatguru or Seatplans. Be sure to verify the info you get on them as they're not know for being reliable.

What does AA.com say is the equipment on your day? I did some random dates and saw their 772 which has international business in the front as your "F" class which is something you should be happy with. This corresponds with this version on Seatguru. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am..._777-200_C.php or the 37 business class seat version on AA's fleet page.
Domestic F on internationally configured planes generally defaults to International Business. This doesn't mean the service will be International Business standards but you'll get a good seat & entertainment and sometimes a little upgraded meal.
Enjoy the flight.
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Old Nov 17, 2017, 10:38 pm
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It says 772. The seat map were I chose my seats show 37 seats in Business but the ticket it shows first class. It's to Maui Hi so not really international but 32oomileseach way. When I put in 119 on 30 April that site says 777 Ver 1 but if you look at that plane on their site it looks nothing like my seats I chose. Thank you very much for answering me. From what I've read the version 1 has very old tech and seats. I also read they no longer use that version but that site still shows them.

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Old Nov 18, 2017, 1:33 am
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Welcome to FlyerTalk, itzrick311

Looking at the seat map displayed on AA.com for the AA119 on 30 April, this aircraft (Boeing 772) will be fitted with a Premium Economy cabin and B/E Aerospace Super Diamond seats up front.

The other 772 variant which has the Concept D forward/aft facing combinations up front is easily recognisable in AA.com's seat plan - the rear facing seats are displayed with a small notch indicating their reverse orientation.

I hope this helps
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 9:11 am
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Yes it does Thank you very much. I found some other info on here that made me think that is what it but it is listed by tail number but it was kind of hard to tell. I ask AA this question by email and they said to call and when I called they just said normal business seat with movable arm rest. I emailed them back for more details but haven't heard back from them. Thanks again, You guys really know your stuff.
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by itzrick311
Yes it does Thank you very much. I found some other info on here that made me think that is what it but it is listed by tail number but it was kind of hard to tell. I ask AA this question by email and they said to call and when I called they just said normal business seat with movable arm rest. I emailed them back for more details but haven't heard back from them. Thanks again, You guys really know your stuff.
We have a quick comparison of AA's business class products in the BA forum - take a look here: A quick guide to BA partner long haul business class products

See the fourth slide in the deck for the 772 with the Super Diamond seats.
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Old Nov 18, 2017, 10:10 am
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Thanks that as real good info. I didn't even know if this was considered long haul being still in the US.
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Moving this to the AA forum, which is a better home.

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Old Nov 19, 2017, 5:04 pm
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It's more of a premium demand route and fleet optimization reasoning vs it being a long haul situation. Being able to compete with the product the competition is offering, transport a large amount of people at once & be able to charge a premium for the product in some cases makes good business sense.
But you'l also be glad you have that plane for the 8+ hour flight.
Originally Posted by itzrick311
Thanks that as real good info. I didn't even know if this was considered long haul being still in the US.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by itzrick311
Thanks that as real good info. I didn't even know if this was considered long haul being still in the US.
All AA 772-777-200ERs are two class (Premium Economy is being add d). No three class First, all Business class seats are "solo pod" type with horizontally flat seats.

Ignore SeatGuru's incorrect information. See https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...under-way.html; there are thread links to the specific models in the Wikipost at the top of the page.
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Old Nov 19, 2017, 8:04 pm
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Tanks all, Sounds like I made a good choice to buy the more expensive seats. 4 years ago we took a 757 in the back to Muai and earlier this year had seats in the back of a 757 to St Thomas. The entertainment on both flights were a screen in the middle of the isle with some old movie nobody wanted to watch, a choice of peanuts or pretzels and being really close to everyone. Now my biggest concerns are if the flight gets off on time (lately they have been getting there up to 4 hours late a lot times) and the biggest worry is if they run out of Miller Lite..LOL
Thanks again
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Old Nov 20, 2017, 9:39 am
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7 of last 8 flights for AA 7 show the PE variety, and I am not far out from my trip on it. Currently me and my gf are in 13K 13L, the PE version is 13J 13L in those seats. There is no 13K on the PE variety. So I am trying to figure out if AA would be smart enough to keep me in 13J and switch her from 13K to 13L (since nobody else will have that seat currently since it does not exist) or if it will do something crazy like move one or both of us completely out of 13 altogether to god knows where. I have been checking every day, but doesn't seem like the seatmap on AA will change at least until right before the flight. We are booked together. Seems like at the very least 14B 14K 15B 15K would be in trouble since those seats don't exist on the PE version. Not sure if I should be excited for getting PE free on an 8.5 hr flight or worried about one or both of us getting tossed back somewhere else last minute.
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