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no1cub17 Jul 15, 19 1:28 am


Originally Posted by gateH15 (Post 31304222)

even tho MCT will be met and he could technically be protected itís too short of a connection to clear immigration, get the bags and recheck it.

MCT doesn't matter because this isn't a connection, these are separate tickets.

UKtravelbear Jul 15, 19 5:44 am

You have 1.50 not 1.55 - your maths is off and 5 minutes matter.

And you have less than that as you must have completed the BA check-in process / bags dropped off by T-45 not just be in a queue.

So you have 1.05 to deplane, clear passport control (quick these days due to the e-gates), collect bags and then get to the BA check-in desks. All assuming you arrive on time. If you arrive late you have even less time.

I wouldn't be comfortable with that.

And if you miss the 1.55PM BA flight they won't automatically just rebook you onto the next one.

Not sure what the AA policy is in these cases with separate tickets - read variable reports that they will and they won't/

teemuflyer Jul 15, 19 6:51 am

As others have mentioned, 1:55 is too short of a time to be at all comfortable on making the BA flight to Lyon. That being said, the nice thing about having your second flight leave from T3 is the abundance of lounges to try out (AA/BA/CX/QF) and they are all very close to each other. As an EXP you can even try the F lounges/sections where available.

With the later departure, you can leisurely check them all out, take a shower,,relax, and have lunch and/or nibble on the various offerings the lounges provide. Of course this means you will have the opportunity to try out quite the selection of champagnes ;), or other beverages. This scenario is much preferable to trying to rush in a panic to catch the earlier flight, if even possible.

gateH15 Jul 15, 19 7:31 am


Originally Posted by no1cub17 (Post 31304400)
MCT doesn't matter because this isn't a connection, these are separate tickets.

MCT does matter when you are on separate ticket. AA only protects separate tickets to/from oneworld if MCT was met.

Unterwegs Jul 15, 19 8:26 am

LHR is one of the worst airports in Europe for connections or the non-connection you have. I would try to route thru a different airport. And having two different tickets is risky (delays) and inconvenient (no check thru). Did you try to look for different routings?

JDiver Jul 15, 19 8:43 am


Originally Posted by Jonesdds (Post 31304045)
Flying AA metal getting in at 12:05 in LHR. Had to book connection separately, flying on to Lyon. BA flights either 1:55 pm or 6:55 pm. 1:55 to little time? Hate to add 5 hrs connection time. Iíve only connected from another destination in Europe through LHR.

Are all AA flights going to be arriving in terminal 5? And do all flights to European destinations fly out of terminal 5? I know there are some flights in and out of terminal 3 but maybe just a few long haul flights.

we will have checked bags, I assume we will be able to check through to Lyon, or not? If so, will we have to retrieve then recheck after immigration, etc.? Seems if no and we are able to check through to Lyon then 1:55 becomes much more realistic, correct?

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In your case, as others have said, 1:50 between flights would be quite risky. Youíll arrive T-3, have to arrive in the U.K., collect your bags and recheck at T-3.

JJeffrey Jul 15, 19 9:26 am


Originally Posted by Unterwegs (Post 31305294)
LHR is one of the worst airports in Europe for connections or the non-connection you have. I would try to route thru a different airport. And having two different tickets is risky (delays) and inconvenient (no check thru). Did you try to look for different routings?

OP is already booked on AA to LHR.

As mentioned above the 1:50 connection is too short given the checked luggage. So that leaves the 5 hr. connection, which will be plenty of time.

While I agree it's a moderate PITA to have to clear immigration, re-check bags, etc., this is a T3-T3 connection, so far from the end of the world, and nowhere near bad enough that I would spend hundreds (if not thousands) in potential change fees & fare differences to avoid.

Really not a big deal at all...land, get the immigration/baggage/re-check formalities out of the way, take a shower and have lunch in the CX lounge, and you'll be boarding to LYS before you know it.

Blumie Jul 15, 19 9:37 am


Originally Posted by hbtr (Post 31304330)
Over the years about 70% of my AA flights int LHR have experienced some sort of delay, often due in part to some sort of flow control where you are stacked up somewhere near London for 15-30 minutes.

Once upon a time I would have agreed with this statement, but in recent years my on-time arrivals into (and departures from) LHR have far outnumbered my delays. Perhaps it's because the airlines now pad the schedules, or perhaps operations at LHR have improved, but I now find I can expect my LHR flights to operate on time. (Not that this changes the advice to the OP. 1:50 still is too short with checked bags that have to be claimed and rechecked.)

carlosdca Jul 15, 19 11:08 am


Originally Posted by Jonesdds (Post 31304045)
Flying AA metal getting in at 12:05 in LHR. Had to book connection separately, flying on to Lyon. BA flights either 1:55 pm or 6:55 pm. 1:55 to little time? Hate to add 5 hrs connection time. I’ve only connected from another destination in Europe through LHR.

Are all AA flights going to be arriving in terminal 5? And do all flights to European destinations fly out of terminal 5? I know there are some flights in and out of terminal 3 but maybe just a few long haul flights.

we will have checked bags, I assume we will be able to check through to Lyon, or not? If so, will we have to retrieve then recheck after immigration, etc.? Seems if no and we are able to check through to Lyon then 1:55 becomes much more realistic, correct?

I have done the separate ticket connection in London with checked bags. You can't check bags through.
I had a similar ~2hr connection time.
On the way back to the US, I did not make it to my flight to LAX. By the time I cleared immigration and collected my bag, I was not allowed to check-in. As it was the last flight of the day to the US, they re-booked me on the first flight next day. Nice that they were able to re-book but arriving one day later was not fun.

So, yes, go for the longer connection. You will appreciate not having to rush and being able to take your time for every step of the transfer.


Originally Posted by Unterwegs (Post 31305294)
LHR is one of the worst airports in Europe for connections

Saying the above is like saying "quit OW" as US-Europe trips via LHR are the most abundant and flexible and are hard to avoid if sticking to OW. (yeah yeah, there is IB and Finnair but they don't offer as much flexibility as connecting through LHR).

thunderlounge Jul 15, 19 11:59 am

Just another chirp to take the longer connection. Better safe than sorry with such things.

If in J, enjoy the arrivals lounge once bags are checked back in with BA. Have a shower, a bite to eat, and just relax. An extra couple of hours isn’t going to be the end of the world, and it’s much better not having to stress over making another flight on a tight schedule.

Have a nice trip.

teemuflyer Jul 15, 19 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by thunderlounge (Post 31306062)
Just another chirp to take the longer connection. Better safe than sorry with such things.

If in J, enjoy the arrivals lounge once bags are checked back in with BA. Have a shower, a bite to eat, and just relax. An extra couple of hours isnít going to be the end of the world, and itís much better not having to stress over making another flight on a tight schedule.

Have a nice trip.

Although I appreciate the Arrivals Lounge as much as anyone heading into London and want to take a shower and the like beforehand, the F&B offerings are much more extensive at the T3 OW Lounges and decent showers are available in most of them.

anabolism Jul 15, 19 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 31286972)
yes. You would go through immigration at T3, collect your bag, go across to T5 (use HEX or tube) and go up to check in on the top floor to check your bag.

Just for clarity, getting from T3 to T5 is easy via the free Heathrow inter-terminal train service (same place as the Heathrow Express and Heathrow Connect). When you clear immigration and customs in T3, just follow the signs for "Trains to London." When you get to the train station, collect a free terminal transfer ticket from the ticket machine, proceed through the ticket check gate, then follow the signs for T5, not the Heathrow Express to London. It's one stop and the train terminates in T5. You'll actually be boarding a Heathrow Express train that came in from London and terminates at T5.


Originally Posted by Jonesdds (Post 31304045)
Flying AA metal getting in at 12:05 in LHR. Had to book connection separately, flying on to Lyon. BA flights either 1:55 pm or 6:55 pm. 1:55 to little time? Hate to add 5 hrs connection time. Iíve only connected from another destination in Europe through LHR.

Are all AA flights going to be arriving in terminal 5? And do all flights to European destinations fly out of terminal 5? I know there are some flights in and out of terminal 3 but maybe just a few long haul flights.

we will have checked bags, I assume we will be able to check through to Lyon, or not? If so, will we have to retrieve then recheck after immigration, etc.? Seems if no and we are able to check through to Lyon then 1:55 becomes much more realistic, correct?

If you have not yet ticketed your AA flight to LHR, see if the Lyon connection can be added on. That would be the simplest as you'd be able to through-check your bags. If you have already ticketed your AA flight to LHR, see if AA or your TA can book the Lyon flight as a separate ticket in the same PNR. With it being in the same PNR, AA may be willing to through-check your bag.

Jonesdds Jul 16, 19 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by mvoight (Post 31304125)
There are days when Eurostar stops in Lyon.... Of course, it is a bit easier to fly there.
That said, I wouldn't book this short AA-BA with checked bags

I was considering doing this, is there a station close to the airport or would I have to go downtown, Pancras station? If it was a quick taxi there I'd think about it. Assume requires a change of trains in Paris? We'll have two large suitcases and the carryon's so trying not to make it too difficult....

teemuflyer Jul 16, 19 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by Jonesdds (Post 31310508)
I was considering doing this, is there a station close to the airport or would I have to go downtown, Pancras station? If it was a quick taxi there I'd think about it. Assume requires a change of trains in Paris? We'll have two large suitcases and the carryon's so trying not to make it too difficult....

As romantic as taking the train would be, there are lots of transfers involved and with two large suitcases I wouldn't try it. Plus it will still take a lot longer to get to Lyon vs. just taking the later BA flight. My 2 cents..

Jonesdds Jul 16, 19 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by teemuflyer (Post 31305023)
As others have mentioned, 1:55 is too short of a time to be at all comfortable on making the BA flight to Lyon. That being said, the nice thing about having your second flight leave from T3 is the abundance of lounges to try out (AA/BA/CX/QF) and they are all very close to each other. As an EXP you can even try the F lounges/sections where available.

With the later departure, you can leisurely check them all out, take a shower,,relax, and have lunch and/or nibble on the various offerings the lounges provide. Of course this means you will have the opportunity to try out quite the selection of champagnes ;), or other beverages. This scenario is much preferable to trying to rush in a panic to catch the earlier flight, if even possible.

Yes I wondered what lounges I'd be able to access. That does make the wait go much quicker. I am EXP and would most likely be flying coach on a AA award ticket(maybe BA award ticket), after a biz class flight on AA. So I would have access to those first class lounges? Does AA have Flagship lounge in LHR at this point? Probably be last on my list with CX and QF being the most interesting.

If both of my tickets are AA, even though one purchased and one is award am I really not able to combine them and have luggage checked all the way through? Yes, the second flight would be on BA metal but AA ticket.


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