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muishkin Apr 8, 16 10:19 am


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26455917)
Thank you, thank you. So very gracious of you to take such time.

I'm looking online to purchase the oyster cards. Is that 15 per person or will the 15 take care of both our fares?

If your arrival on London falls on the weekend then £15 should be enough for both of your fares.

If your arrival is on a weekday then it looks like your return to Healthrow will fall during peak time since you said you'll be returning to LHR at 5pm. You'll need a total of £16.4 to cover both of your fares assuming your trip into central London did not occur during peak time.

FYI the definition of the peak time is 06:30 to 09:29 and from 16:00 to 18:59 Monday to Friday.

wrp96 Apr 8, 16 10:33 am


Originally Posted by muishkin (Post 26456043)
Okay now I am curious what this option is? I do like the CX lounge in T3.

There's a program to allow people departing from other terminals access to T1-T2-T3 for shopping purposes. Even if you gain access to T3 using that program, you aren't supposed to be able to gain access to the lounges in that terminal unless you are departing from that terminal. As it is the CX Lounge is currently closed.

Calchas Apr 8, 16 11:17 am


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26455971)
Thank you for your insight. Most the time I would do carry on luggage but this time we're going as light as possible. One handbag with only the necessaries.

I'm using a Chase Sapphire credit card. Will I still need GBP? If so, how much?

Assuming it is on the Visa, Mastercard or American Express network, it should be accepted at any "cash point" (British name for an ATM) and indeed widely accepted in London for card transactions. However, you should tell your own bank that you are leaving the country, because I understand that US banks find it suspicious when cardholders use their card abroad and tend proactively to block the transaction.

London is a great city (I live here :D) and I think it is an easy one for Americans to explore. I hope you enjoy your trip.

Ldnn1 Apr 8, 16 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26455917)
Thank you, thank you. So very gracious of you to take such time.

I'm looking online to purchase the oyster cards. Is that 15 per person or will the 15 take care of both our fares?

Each passenger needs their own oyster card for a journey - the gates won't open if you try to use the same card twice - so you will need two cards. Alternatively if you have a contactless debit/credit card or Apple Pay it will be much easier to use that without the need for oyster at all. It looks like Apple Pay works with many US banks now:

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...ment/apple-pay
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204916

To second what Microwave explained above, the British Library, the Railway Children and King's Cross St Pancras station are all very close to each other - no cabs necessary.

The Railway Children is near a very trendy regeneration area called Granary Square behind St Pancras station and across the canal. There are some excellent restaurants and cafés there - Dishoom in particular is great, but you may not have time for that. [Edit: On second thoughts, you could easily manage lunch at Dishoom if you fancied it - say if you booked a table at 12.45, that would give you an hour or so at the Library beforehand and time enough to get to the show at 2.30.] Otherwise just head for a wander around the square and canal - it's buzzing in nice weather.

Note if you're running late and/or hungry when you get to the British Library, there are a couple of decent cafés in there - one has a terrace with some outdoor tables, but Granary Square is a nicer setting.

gardengirl Apr 8, 16 2:53 pm


Originally Posted by muishkin (Post 26456152)
If your arrival on London falls on the weekend then £15 should be enough for both of your fares.

If your arrival is on a weekday then it looks like your return to Healthrow will fall during peak time since you said you'll be returning to LHR at 5pm. You'll need a total of £16.4 to cover both of your fares assuming your trip into central London did not occur during peak time.

FYI the definition of the peak time is 06:30 to 09:29 and from 16:00 to 18:59 Monday to Friday.

We arrive next Wed. Trip into the city will be dependent on arrival time and how we take to get to train. Since we leave next Tuesday I doubt we'll be able to get tickets ahead of time.

I was looking to see if there was a way to email theatre and ask about same day tickets and probability of availability. Any signicant delay out of PHL could mess up the plan. I didn't find out before having to run to work but I did see the railway has a 2 for one deal connected to the theatre. Still looking into that because I don't know if the tube is considered a qualifying train for the deal.

Ldnn1 Apr 8, 16 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26457608)
We arrive next Wed. Trip into the city will be dependent on arrival time and how we take to get to train. Since we leave next Tuesday I doubt we'll be able to get tickets ahead of time.

I was looking to see if there was a way to email theatre and ask about same day tickets and probability of availability. Any signicant delay out of PHL could mess up the plan.

Well, it would need to be an EXTREME delay to really mess up the plan. Even if you land 2 hours late, that's 11am. Airside by 12. You could swap the Heathrow Express for the Tube to make up a little bit of time but it wouldn't be necessary - get to the Library about 1 either way. An hour there and you could still be at the theatre before 2.30. So, I'd say you're fine for time - but by all means ask about on-the day tickets. Best is to call the box office at the actual venue, but ATG always make it difficult to get hold of them directly, so you'll probably have to try the central ATG box office first and see if you get any joy there, unless you can find the direct number online somewhere.


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26457608)
I didn't find out before having to run to work but I did see the railway has a 2 for one deal connected to the theatre. Still looking into that because I don't know if the tube is considered a qualifying train for the deal.

Tube tickets don't get the discount, but you can go to southwesttrains.co.uk, search for a same day return from Feltham to London for your arrival day, then select an Off Peak Day Travelcard (£12.10 each) and select to collect at Heathrow Term 123. That ticket will then (a) cover your Tube journey to/from Heathrow (not the Heathrow Express) and (b) entitle you to use the Days Out 241 discount voucher. You'll need to locate the ticket machine in Heathrow Central on your arrival to collect it though.

[Note: edited suggestion above as realised makes sense for OP to pick up a NR Travelcard at LHR instead of a throwaway ticket just for the discount.]

Blumie Apr 8, 16 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by Microwave (Post 26454386)
It is definitely possible to access T3 via Flight Connections without a T3 boarding pass, however the process of getting in and then getting back to the proper terminal could well be confusing, and there's no real benefit.

I agree that there is no real benefit for accessing T3 if departing from T5. That said, once in the departures area at T3, it is very easy to backtrack to the arrivals area and then either clear immigration if one wants to go into London, or go back through flight connections to take the bus to T5. And while it is easy to do this at T3, it is very difficult to do this at T5. Once one is in the departures area at T5, the only way out is to go to a specific BA customer service desk, where an escort is available once an hour to escort you back to the arrivals area, and they will only do so if you have at least three hours before your departure. (I learned this last week when I wanted to go for a run during a long layover. They were quite surprised by my request; they told me that the request to leave is almost always due to wanting to have a cigarette!)

Ldnn1 Apr 9, 16 3:47 am


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 26459179)
And while it is easy to do this at T3, it is very difficult to do this at T5. Once one is in the departures area at T5, the only way out is to go to a specific BA customer service desk, where an escort is available once an hour to escort you back to the arrivals area, and they will only do so if you have at least three hours before your departure.

Actually there's a much easier (unofficial) way of doing it - you simply take the transit train to T5C, stay on the train, and you'll then return to arrivals in T5A where you can enter through the UK Border.

There are many threads on this over in the BA forum. Here's one example:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...procedure.html

gardengirl Apr 9, 16 11:35 am


Originally Posted by Ldnn1 (Post 26457749)
Tube tickets don't get the discount, but you can go to southwesttrains.co.uk, search for a same day return from Feltham to London for your arrival day, then select an Off Peak Day Travelcard (£12.10 each) and select to collect at Heathrow Term 123. That ticket will then (a) cover your Tube journey to/from Heathrow (not the Heathrow Express) and (b) entitle you to use the Days Out 241 discount voucher. You'll need to locate the ticket machine in Heathrow Central on your arrival to collect it though.

[Note: edited suggestion above as realised makes sense for OP to pick up a NR Travelcard at LHR instead of a throwaway ticket just for the discount.]

I looked into this. The return to Heathrow is the one snag. Since it's during peak Tube times the South West ticket won't be valid:

Journey: FELTHAM TO LONDON WATERLOO £24.20
Journey Details
Outward - Wednesday 13th April 2016
Depart Arrive Seating Travel by
09:41 Feltham
10:26 London Waterloo Reservation not possible South West Trains
Return - Wednesday 13th April 2016
Depart Arrive Seating Travel by
23:58 London Waterloo
00:29 Feltham Reservation not possible South West Trains
Ticket details
OFF PEAK DAY TRAVELCARD £24.20
2 Adult(s) Full Fare @ £12.10
Travel is allowed via any permitted route.
Unlimited off-peak travel by bus, train, tube within relevant London Zones for 1 day.
Journey price £24.20

Edited to take out my math. It was incorrect.

Ldnn1 Apr 9, 16 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26461026)
I looked into this. The return to Heathrow is the one snag. Since it's during peak Tube times the South West ticket won't be valid.

No that's not right. Peak/off-peak is a very complicated business over here, but all you need to know for these purposes is that the £12.10 Off Peak Day Travelcard you'd be buying is valid on all Underground services within Zones 1-6 after 9.30am, so will get you back to Heathrow after your show.

It's the same as the Off-Peak Day Travelcard available from TfL explained here; it's just that this one will be issued on an orange National Rail ticket.

Also to clarify - I'm not saying you actually take the train from Feltham to Waterloo. You'll take the Piccadilly Line from Heathrow to King's Cross. Putting in Feltham to Waterloo on southwesttrains.co.uk is just a way (one of many ways in fact) of buying a Zones 1-6 Travelcard for collection from a National Rail machine. Confusing I know, but there is method to the madness.

Blumie Apr 9, 16 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by Ldnn1 (Post 26459715)
Actually there's a much easier (unofficial) way of doing it - you simply take the transit train to T5C, stay on the train, and you'll then return to arrivals in T5A where you can enter through the UK Border.

There are many threads on this over in the BA forum. Here's one example:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...procedure.html

Thank you for this. You've just made my life much easier.

gardengirl Apr 9, 16 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by Ldnn1 (Post 26461291)
No that's not right. Peak/off-peak is a very complicated business over here, but all you need to know for these purposes is that the £12.10 Off Peak Day Travelcard you'd be buying is valid on all Underground services within Zones 1-6 after 9.30am, so will get you back to Heathrow after your show.

It's the same as the Off-Peak Day Travelcard available from TfL explained here; it's just that this one will be issued on an orange National Rail ticket.

Also to clarify - I'm not saying you actually take the train from Feltham to Waterloo. You'll take the Piccadilly Line from Heathrow to King's Cross. Putting in Feltham to Waterloo on southwesttrains.co.uk is just a way (one of many ways in fact) of buying a Zones 1-6 Travelcard for collection from a National Rail machine. Confusing I know, but there is method to the madness.

Don't know what time it's getting to be where you are. It's now 6:37 p.m. in Michigan.

I do understand the reasoning behind your plan for the SWT ticket and I do understand that I wouldn't be buying it for travel between London and Feltham. That I get.

When I went to buy it online I couldn't find a spot to click to pick up the ticket at Heathrow. That has all been resolved and I'm picking them up at Heathrow. I have now purchased the theatre tickets and the SWT tickets.

We're now planning to have a lovely day in London (current forecast is 62 and partly cloudy) and if it all goes well I can tell my friends how travel savvy I am. :D I already told my daughter how my flyertalk peeps have helped me out and I now have a new bff's in London. :D I don't really talk like that all the time, I just like to make my daughter smile and roll her eyes.

I think we saved 30 GBP. Theatre tickets were 37.50 and train tickets were 24.20. Without the 241 it would have been 75 and 16.40.

Thank you everyone so much for your gracious help.

gardengirl Apr 9, 16 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 26456488)
Assuming it is on the Visa, Mastercard or American Express network, it should be accepted at any "cash point" (British name for an ATM) and indeed widely accepted in London for card transactions. However, you should tell your own bank that you are leaving the country, because I understand that US banks find it suspicious when cardholders use their card abroad and tend proactively to block the transaction.

London is a great city (I live here :D) and I think it is an easy one for Americans to explore. I hope you enjoy your trip.

The bank knows about the travel. We got both Euros for Italy and 40 GBP from our bank.

gardengirl Apr 9, 16 6:08 pm

I know I caused confusion about going around T3 and T5. I'd read about shopping at Heathrow so in my mind the airport was like a giant mall with concourses and gates. I now understand that's not the case.

And I thought a spa might be another option for time at Heathrow. This is from an article in Travel + Leisure:

"Airport Spas Are Taking Pampering to New Heights

In fact, many of the latest airport wellness efforts have been championed by airlines—see, for example, the beauty bars at Delta’s Centurion Lounges (in San Francisco, Vegas, New York LaGuardia, and Dallas), the British Airways’-led Elemis Skincare-branded spa at London Heathrow Terminal 5, or the ultra-lush Aurora Spa in Qantas’ First Class terminal at Sydney International."

I had a day in 2014 in PHL. I was able to get from domestic to international and pretty much go all over the airport with my boarding pass. It was a crazy mixed up day and I ended up coming right back to MI that afternoon.

I think we experienced something similar in MIA and ATL. Our gate was on one end of the airport but we were able to visit all concourses for shopping and eating.

Is it the difference of our US airports with Concourses as opposed to Heathrow with Terminals?

bse118 Apr 9, 16 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by gardengirl (Post 26462352)
Is it the difference of our US airports with Concourses as opposed to Heathrow with Terminals?

Not really. LHR is just a big spread out place with different terminals being built and rebuilt at different times, for different airlines.

In the US: LAX has multiple terminals that aren't connected airside. So does JFK, and LGA. ORD's international terminal is a completely separate building from the primary domestic terminals. DCA has multiple concourses that are not connected behind security (although all in the same building). There are other examples.


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