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Be sure to check the lengthy http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...elections.html and oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on threads, as many members have posted questions - and useful answers - there. See the wiki posts for informative summaries.
Also be aware - AA have reduced capacity and apparently chosen to make MileSAAver flights significantly less available during predicted periods of high demand and high demand flights, undoubtedly keeping seats available for those willing to pay higher fares and use the new tiered AAnytime awards.
Older posts as of 1 Jan 2015 and later may be found in thd archived thread ARCHIVE: MileSAAver / SAAver award reduction discussion post 2015 AAdvantage merger
Older posts may dating from Aug 2011 through the AAdvantage program merger January 2015 be found in the archived thread here.
MileSAAver / SAAver award reduction / scarcity discussion
#91
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
Just tried to upgrade our flights to Hawaii in September. "No availability" and this is 9 months out! Not even one seat available as an award upgrade. Talk about scarcity. Now what to do with the 246,000 miles we have sitting in my husband's account. Guess we will have to find someplace else to fly to burn them off .... if we can.
J awards are fairly easy to get on JL - so far. Get it while you can and get rid of those pesky AA miles
Last edited by Paulchili; Jan 18, 2017 at 12:39 am
#92
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Austin
Posts: 4,629
That said though the situation now is much worse.
#93
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 546
J awards on JL are not easy to get, unless you travel from SAN or have the flexibility to travel on very short notice.
#94
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
True - you cannot get them 3 or 6 months out but they are PLENTIFUL when planning ahead.
Here is a sampling for Dec 2017 (as far out as you can book at present) - I could have gone further back in December but you get the idea (from KVS and confirmed on JL website, where there are no phantom awards):
SFO-HND
12/9 J9
12/10 J9
12/11 J9
12/12 J9
12/13 J9
12/14 J9
LAX-NRT
12/9 J2
12/10 J2
1211 J9
12/12 J4
12/13 J3
12/14 J2
* note J9 is on KVS - on JL it shows even more (some days 5-15 or 16+)
Sadly F seems to have gone the way of CX lately - how long before J will follow as well?
How is that for JL J availability - enough for you? Try to find that with CX or AA Who else in OW has this type of J award availabilty - if you know, please tell me.
No need to fly from SAN (or last minute) - just plan ahead.
Last edited by Paulchili; Jan 18, 2017 at 11:14 am
#96
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: WAS/TYO
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP (3MM), DL PM, BONVOY TITANIUM, HYATT GLOBALIST, HILTON DIAMOND, IHG DIAMOND AMB, et al
Posts: 5,913
-FlyerBeek
#97
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bay Area
Programs: DL SM, UA MP.
Posts: 12,729
Blogger claimed there was J saver awards to Australia available in high season.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
Found some real J awards for the return in early and mid October for 80k, with he SYD-LAX TPAC.
Well it's something, but late Sept, early to mid Oct is not high season in SYD.
And it's not a real premium cabin award.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
Found some real J awards for the return in early and mid October for 80k, with he SYD-LAX TPAC.
Well it's something, but late Sept, early to mid Oct is not high season in SYD.
And it's not a real premium cabin award.
#98
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Tampa, FL
Programs: UA 1.5mm, *gold, AA - P, Marriot Titanium
Posts: 71
Why are you flying AA then?
There are all kinds of reasons why you choose one airline over another. It seems there are a lot of guys on this thread that value redeeming miles. So if miles are important to you, why do you continue to fly AA? As it has been pointed out, miles on AA are worth a third (at best) of UA miles, which is actually stretching it, because AA miles are almost worthless on many routes.
So with you continuing to fly AA, you are signaling to them that you are OK with their abysmal FF program. And by you continue to do so, you are signaling to UA that they could devalue their program accordingly to match AA's horrible program.
I am 1mm on UA, so went with AA last year and made Platinum, to see if the "grass was greener" at AA. (it isn't, to my chagrin, it is brown at AA) As others have pointed out, the only advantage to AA right now is greater F upgrades. On all other measures, AA is far worse.
I have stopped flying AA because miles are important to me.
So with you continuing to fly AA, you are signaling to them that you are OK with their abysmal FF program. And by you continue to do so, you are signaling to UA that they could devalue their program accordingly to match AA's horrible program.
I am 1mm on UA, so went with AA last year and made Platinum, to see if the "grass was greener" at AA. (it isn't, to my chagrin, it is brown at AA) As others have pointed out, the only advantage to AA right now is greater F upgrades. On all other measures, AA is far worse.
I have stopped flying AA because miles are important to me.
#99
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, SC
Programs: AA Plat, SPG/Marriot Gold, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Expl
Posts: 2,363
There are all kinds of reasons why you choose one airline over another. It seems there are a lot of guys on this thread that value redeeming miles. So if miles are important to you, why do you continue to fly AA? As it has been pointed out, miles on AA are worth a third (at best) of UA miles, which is actually stretching it, because AA miles are almost worthless on many routes.
I just redeemed 3xJ to EU in the peak summer travel time at 57.5K (and then got 10K rebated by Citi) so to *me* these miles are quite valuable. If I needed them to fly in J or F direct to HKG or SYD on short notice *then* they'd be close to worthless.
So with you continuing to fly AA, you are signaling to them that you are OK with their abysmal FF program. And by you continue to do so, you are signaling to UA that they could devalue their program accordingly to match AA's horrible program.
I suspect for many of us, flying is not the main source of RDM earning anyway.
I have stopped flying AA because miles are important to me.
#100
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 812
Blogger claimed there was J saver awards to Australia available in high season.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
Found some real J awards for the return in early and mid October for 80k, with he SYD-LAX TPAC.
Well it's something, but late Sept, early to mid Oct is not high season in SYD.
And it's not a real premium cabin award.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
Found some real J awards for the return in early and mid October for 80k, with he SYD-LAX TPAC.
Well it's something, but late Sept, early to mid Oct is not high season in SYD.
And it's not a real premium cabin award.
I was curious about this as well, and looked everywhere from 12/10 all the way back to 9/1. Only 1 80k flight to SYD found, and it was mixed cabin with DFW>SYD being economy. No idea where they saw the availability they mentioned.
#101
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 623
Were you searching explicitly LAX-SYD? If you were searching anything other than that then I'm betting your search was severely limited due to the lack of domestic saver economy or domestic saver first availability into LAX.
#102
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
Blogger claimed there was J saver awards to Australia available in high season.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
So I went and checked for SFO-SYD as a simple test.
Found only one outbound between Sept and the end of the 330 days for 80k.
That was SJC-DFW-SYD. DFT-SYD was on QF A380 but it was in Y and it made for a 31-hour transit.
As simple as that.
#103
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Tampa, FL
Programs: UA 1.5mm, *gold, AA - P, Marriot Titanium
Posts: 71
As I have noted previously, I fly the kids around the country to school and such. On routes out of hubs, whether DFW for AA or ORD for UA, there is rarely any nonstop saver availability on AA whereas there is almost always some availability on UA.
Last edited by Jeffw5555; Jan 20, 2017 at 12:35 pm
#104
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2006
Location: DTW, but drive to/from YYZ/ORD
Programs: Chase Ultimate Rewards 2MM, Diner Club points
Posts: 31,895
True, but I stand by my claim. Go to any route, any date, then make a comparison between AA and UA saver availability on any fare class. There is no comparison at all. And UA will also show you availability of standard awards, whereas at AA you need to force it or call an agent to get them.
#105
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: AA LT PLT 3 MM+, BA (very) Blue, CO nobody
Posts: 2,640
There are plenty of other reasons to quit the new AA (like lots of availability to EU with OS & TK, etc).