Jul 21, 2017, 11:02 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The AA (Legacy US Airways) Airbus Industrie A330-200
AA announced retirement of the A330-200 in the Oct 2020 earnings report.
AA announced retirement of the A330-200 in the Oct 2020 earnings report.
Status of reconfiguration
N279AY - NEW
N280AY - NEW
N281AY - NEW
N282AY - NEW
N283AY - NEW
N284AY - NEW
N285AY - NEW
N286AY - NEW
N287AY - NEW
N288AY - NEW
N289AY - NEW
N290AY - NEW
N291AY - NEW
N292AY - NEW
N293AY - NEW
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
NOTE: The 15 A330-200 (with Rolls Royce Trent 700 engines) are being retained and updated. (The nine Pratt & Whitney equipped A330-300s have been scheduled for retirement (return to lessor at lease end) by late 2018 due to poor "fit" in the AA fleet (link).) The A330-200s will continue, however, and the launch of the retrofitted A330-200 will see
- 20 Zodiac "Envoy" type Business seats in a 1-2-1 layout (1 blocked for pilot rest)
- 21 Premium Economy (B/E Aerospace) seats in a 2-3-2 layout
- 50 Main Cabin Extra seats (same seats as Y, just greater seat pitch) 2-4-2 (2 blocked for customers requiring customer assistance)
- Main Cabin / Economy seats also 2-4-2
- Ku band satellite based Panasonic WiFi
- Individual personal entertainment screens for every seat
- Seat power
- Noise reduction headsets - Bose in Business, others for Premium Economy
Premium Economy and extended Main Cabin Extra has been installed on the A330-200 fleet. Until 15 Jan 2018, PE seats were available to Elites as MCE on those aircraft with PE; PE are available for sale on that date.
Link to A330-200 PE and MCE additions article on The Points Guy
Link to Combined AA Fleet page
Link to (non-AA) American Fleet Site, A330-200 page.
For the specific thread about the Zodiac "Envoy" Business seat, please see AA A330 "Envoy" Lie Flat All Aisle Access Business Seats (master thread)
Also see the older, archived thread on Envoy seating on the A330: A330-200 Envoy Suites
Link to Seatguru for AA A330-200
Envoy / Business (20):
* Rows 1 to 7, 4 across, private "suites", all aisle access
* Seats A and H have windows and angle out toward windows
* Seats C and F are both in the middle, angle in toward center (no windows)
* In seat entertainment with personally selectable programming
* Bose noise reduction headsets on long-haul International flights
* Empower 110 VAC / 150 VA and USB power
Premium Economy (21):
* Rows 6, 7 and 8 in 2-3-2 layout
* Seat pitch 38"
* Seat width 18.5"
* In seat entertainment with personally selectable programming
* Non-Bose noise reduction headsets on longhaul
* Empower 110 VAC / 150 VA and USB power
Main Cabin Extra (54):
* Bulkhead and Exit seats
* Others seem to be in non-standard layout
* Seat width 16.3-17.8"
* In seat entertainment with personally selectable programming
* Empower 110 VAC / 150 VA
Economy (152):
* Seat pitch 31-32"
* Seat width 16.3-17.8"
* Exits at row 23
* In seat entertainment with personally selectable programming
* Empower 110 VAC / 150 VA
New Livery (AA-style) of the A330-300: A333 in New Livery
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Airbus A330-200 / 332 [master thread]
Aug 26, 2017, 1:57 pm
#467
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Looks like N279AY will be the first A330-200 to receive PE seating. It was ferried to Boeing in Everett for installation: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N279AY
Sep 9, 2017, 6:39 pm
#468
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I am flying PHL-MAD in Feb and thought I was hallucinating when I saw the seatmap. I'm sorry, I don't see how this could possibly be right. Is it not a physical impossibility to have eight rows of seas that are MCE and therefore have more room between them, ON ONE SIDE OF THE PLANE ONLY. Same number of rows, same number of seats, and the middle and left seats are normal pitch but only the right two have extra space between them. I am not an aeronautics engineer but I would like for someone to explain to me how that is even possible, unless you are bending the plane on one side to fit in more space. Am on phone with AA right now and they keep saying it must be that way because that is what the seat map says...
Sep 9, 2017, 6:42 pm
#469
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I am flying PHL-MAD in Feb and thought I was hallucinating when I saw the seatmap. I'm sorry, I don't see how this could possibly be right. Is it not a physical impossibility to have eight rows of seas that are MCE and therefore have more room between them, ON ONE SIDE OF THE PLANE ONLY. Same number of rows, same number of seats, and the middle and left seats are normal pitch but only the right two have extra space between them. I am not an aeronautics engineer but I would like for someone to explain to me how that is even possible, unless you are bending the plane on one side to fit in more space. Am on phone with AA right now and they keep saying it must be that way because that is what the seat map says...
Sep 10, 2017, 10:52 am
#471
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Posts: 939
It's this thread, further upstream. I see what people are saying. There is one row missing at the end of the plane on the right side to a smaller non-handicapped lav. I guess if you have 8 rows of MCE, divided by say a 31" seat pitch for non MCE, that means they could have added about 3 1/2" extra spacing between each MCE on the right side only, resulting in around 34.5" pitch and non-aligned seats and eventually a missing row. Either way, strictly speaking the seat map is wrong because it shows the seats aligned and it is not possible but I suppose if they left the row numbers the same and did not update the map to show the misaligned seats that could explain it...
Sep 10, 2017, 4:34 pm
#472
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It's this thread, further upstream. I see what people are saying. There is one row missing at the end of the plane on the right side to a smaller non-handicapped lav. I guess if you have 8 rows of MCE, divided by say a 31" seat pitch for non MCE, that means they could have added about 3 1/2" extra spacing between each MCE on the right side only, resulting in around 34.5" pitch and non-aligned seats and eventually a missing row. Either way, strictly speaking the seat map is wrong because it shows the seats aligned and it is not possible but I suppose if they left the row numbers the same and did not update the map to show the misaligned seats that could explain it...
Oct 16, 2017, 12:29 pm
#473
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Looks like new config seat map for flights from now until JAN 15 only shows up day of departure.
For example, N279AY is new config. It is operating as 704 CLT-FRA on 16OCT. As of this moment (3 hours to departure), it shows up as new config. However 705 FRA-CLT OCT 17 showing up as old config.
For example, N279AY is new config. It is operating as 704 CLT-FRA on 16OCT. As of this moment (3 hours to departure), it shows up as new config. However 705 FRA-CLT OCT 17 showing up as old config.
Oct 16, 2017, 1:08 pm
#474
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Location: DCA/CLT/HKG
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^When you say new configuration, do you mean that the aircraft received new seats and Premium Economy was installed or just that they moved seats around to make room for Main Cabin Extra?
Oct 19, 2017, 4:16 pm
#476
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I don't see how AA is going to wrap up reconfiguring the 332 fleet by year end considering only 1 bird (N279AY) has been reconfigured and the other 14 are still in revenue service. Maybe they will pull a number of them from service once winter schedule kicks in.
Updated wiki with all 15 registrations. We should be able to keep status of configuration status by checking on flightradar on which route the aircraft is operating in the next 24 hours and cross referencing it with seatmap on aa.com.
Replace registration in URL to find out where aircraft is flying. Example below is for N279AY.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n293ay
Updated wiki with all 15 registrations. We should be able to keep status of configuration status by checking on flightradar on which route the aircraft is operating in the next 24 hours and cross referencing it with seatmap on aa.com.
Replace registration in URL to find out where aircraft is flying. Example below is for N279AY.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n293ay
Oct 19, 2017, 4:20 pm
#477
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Oct 22, 2017, 4:31 pm
#478
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 9
Are there any resources to see if ship 279 will be carrying me on AA754 on November 17 or AA755 on December 2? How far do they schedule this out? Checked flightradar24 and flightaware but they only go out a few days.
Also, it does seem ambitious that all other 14 ships haven't been ferried or aren't scheduled to be ferried for PE/MCE changes. When does/did the Winter 2017/2018 schedule start?
Also, it does seem ambitious that all other 14 ships haven't been ferried or aren't scheduled to be ferried for PE/MCE changes. When does/did the Winter 2017/2018 schedule start?
Oct 22, 2017, 6:19 pm
#479
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Are there any resources to see if ship 279 will be carrying me on AA754 on November 17 or AA755 on December 2? How far do they schedule this out? Checked flightradar24 and flightaware but they only go out a few days.
Also, it does seem ambitious that all other 14 ships haven't been ferried or aren't scheduled to be ferried for PE/MCE changes. When does/did the Winter 2017/2018 schedule start?
Also, it does seem ambitious that all other 14 ships haven't been ferried or aren't scheduled to be ferried for PE/MCE changes. When does/did the Winter 2017/2018 schedule start?
Oct 22, 2017, 8:36 pm
#480
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So I guess they don’t need to reconfigure all 15 by 15JAN; just 6 more in addition to N279AY.
Last edited by seawolf; Oct 22, 2017 at 9:00 pm