Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > American Airlines | AAdvantage
Reload this Page >

ARCHIVE: Lounge Access Based on Class of Service (master thread)

ARCHIVE: Lounge Access Based on Class of Service (master thread)

    Hide Wikipost
Old Feb 21, 17, 1:55 am   -   Wikipost
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been on FT for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: JDiver
Wiki Link
Lounge Access for oneworld First or Business Class Passengers

NOTE: This thread has received little use since the establishment of the thread HELP DESK: Will I Have Lounge Access? Access, Rules (2017). Please use that thread to inquire about Lounge access. A few more recent posts have been moved to that thread.


Relax in more premium lounges around the world

If your oneworld® frequent flyer tier status is Emerald or Sapphire, or you are traveling in a First or Business Class cabin on a oneworld member airline, you can access more than 600 airport lounges throughout the world.

This means you can relax or catch up with work in comfort and style before departure, regardless of which oneworld member airline you choose to fly with.

To be eligible, you must be departing on a flight that is both marketed and operated by a oneworld member airline.
  • Some lounges may get busy at peak times, and access to them may be restricted as a result.

  • Lounges operated by third parties are identified in the lounge finder tool (above). Access to these lounges is restricted to eligible customers when travelling on specific oneworld airlines as shown in the lounge finder tool.

  • Arrivals lounges are excluded.

  • Spa and Pre-Flight Dining facilities are excluded.

  • British Airways Concorde lounges are excluded.

  • Other exceptions may apply (see below).

oneworld lounge access for First Class or Business Class customers (link)

Indulge yourself before departure in a wider range of airport lounges when you fly First Class or Business Class with any oneworld member airline.
  • Customers flying First or Business Class have access to the equivalent class of lounge regardless of their frequent flyer status. First Class passengers may use a Business Class or frequent flyer lounge if a First Class lounge is not available.

  • First Class passengers may invite one guest to join them in the lounge. The guest must also be travelling on a flight operated and marketed by a oneworld airline.

  • Connecting between oneworld marketed and operated flights:

  • First and Business Class customers connecting on the same day of travel, or before 6am the following day, can access the lounge when travelling between an international long haul (a oneworld international long haul flight is defined as an international flight marketed and operated by any oneworld carrier with a scheduled flight time longer than 5 hours) and an international short haul or domestic flight (and vice-versa).

  • Lounge access will be determined on the international long haul ticketed flight (either First of Business Class) regardless of the ticketed class of travel on the international short haul or domestic flight.

  • You must be prepared to show your boarding pass or itinerary showing travel in First or Business class on the international long haul flight, in order to access the lounge before your international short haul or domestic flight.
The following exceptions apply:
  1. First and Business Class customers who do not hold Emerald or Sapphire tier status are not eligible to access American Airlines lounges when travelling on solely domestic flights within the U.S. or between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico [except Mexico City], the Bahamas, Bermuda and the Caribbean; customers travelling in First or Business class on U.S. transcontinental flights between JFK-LAX, JFK-SFO and MIA-LAX (and vice-versa) are eligible for lounge access.

  2. Guests are not permitted at Qatar Airways Al Safwa and Al Mourjan lounges at Hamad International Airport in Doha or Qatar Airways Premium Lounge at London Heathrow Terminal 4.

Please see the following resources for further details on Class of Service Based Lounge Access Rules:

. . . oneworld Lounge Access Wizard , created by FlyerTalk member imagineertobe

. . . ● AA.com: AA Lounge Access Rules

. . . ● oneworld.com: Lounge Access Rules and Search Tool

. . . ● FlyerGuide Wiki: Lounges

. . . ● FT thread: AAdvantage status-based access to AA & oneworld lounges (consolidated)

Print Wikipost

Old Oct 24, 11, 1:25 pm
  #91  
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: COS
Programs: JAL Global Club, One World Sapphire, IHG Platinum, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,246
Originally Posted by aristoph View Post
Thank you for your clear and prompt answer.
Make sure you have your BA card with you. Not all of the AC's I've gone into have asked to see it, most of them see the "Sapphire" written on the boarding pass and have let me in but the AC's in DFW asks to see the card almost all the time.
Black Adder is offline  
Old Dec 3, 11, 9:26 am
  #92  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 93
I am on cx first to HK but connection is economy on KA. I have no status. Do i still get HK lounge access based on my inbound first BP?
jh811 is offline  
Old Dec 3, 11, 2:00 pm
  #93  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG
Posts: 2,567
Originally Posted by jh811 View Post
I am on cx first to HK but connection is economy on KA. I have no status. Do i still get HK lounge access based on my inbound first BP?
Officially no, but in my experience CX will let you into the F lounges if you show your F boarding pass along with the departing one.
BrewerSEA is offline  
Old Dec 3, 11, 2:19 pm
  #94  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 129
Will be flying from NRT on AA F. With no status, will I have access to JAL F lounge at NRT? If so, do the AA/JAL agents know about this?? I emailed JAL a while ago asking about this and did not get a reply.
heta is offline  
Old Dec 3, 11, 3:03 pm
  #95  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,694
Originally Posted by heta View Post
Will be flying from NRT on AA F. With no status, will I have access to JAL F lounge at NRT? If so, do the AA/JAL agents know about this?? I emailed JAL a while ago asking about this and did not get a reply.
According to the latest revised text on the Oneworld web site, no. You will only have access to your own airline's lounge as a non-status passenger, which in this case would be the AA NRT admirals club.

May be worth a try though. The agents at the JAL lounge may still let you in with your AA F boarding pass.
ckpeter is offline  
Old Dec 3, 11, 4:09 pm
  #96  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 129
Originally Posted by ckpeter View Post
According to the latest revised text on the Oneworld web site, no. You will only have access to your own airline's lounge as a non-status passenger, which in this case would be the AA NRT admirals club.

May be worth a try though. The agents at the JAL lounge may still let you in with your AA F boarding pass.
Thanks, I did not know that the text on the Oneworld website was revised. This is bad news for me (or anyone without Oneworld status flying out of NRT) since JAL lounges (both F and C) are so much nicer than Admiral Club there.
heta is offline  
Old Dec 5, 11, 5:52 pm
  #97  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: NYLON - AA EXP 1MM, SPG Gold
Posts: 1,195
Flying LAX-JFK in A class (paid discount first on a 3 class plane). Per aa.com it seems that I have no lounge access - is that correct? Seems strange that a J class ticket gets AC access but A class gets nothing.

In this case, Im on a 4pm flight (arrives JFK after midnight) and continuing the next evening to LHR (also A class) - technically next day flight but any experience if the agent might grant access to the AC or flagship in LAX?
1/4MM@20 is offline  
Old Dec 5, 11, 6:07 pm
  #98  
Moderator: American AAdvantage, Signatures
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London, England
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum, National Exec, AA EXP Emeritus
Posts: 9,155
Originally Posted by 1/[email protected] View Post
Flying LAX-JFK in A class (paid discount first on a 3 class plane). Per aa.com it seems that I have no lounge access - is that correct? Seems strange that a J class ticket gets AC access but A class gets nothing.
That's correct. Paid A on this route is often (always?) cheaper than paid J (speaking of point-to-point fares, not as part of an international connection).

In this case, Im on a 4pm flight (arrives JFK after midnight) and continuing the next evening to LHR (also A class) - technically next day flight but any experience if the agent might grant access to the AC or flagship in LAX?
That should get you into the FL after your flight arrives to JFK as you'd have an international flight that day, but by my reading of the rules you would not be entitled to access a lounge at LAX based on class of service alone. That said, it can't hurt to try.
Microwave is offline  
Old Dec 5, 11, 6:19 pm
  #99  
Moderator: American AAdvantage & TravelBuzz
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 10,106
Originally Posted by 1/[email protected] View Post
Flying LAX-JFK in A class (paid discount first on a 3 class plane). Per aa.com it seems that I have no lounge access - is that correct? Seems strange that a J class ticket gets AC access but A class gets nothing.

In this case, Im on a 4pm flight (arrives JFK after midnight) and continuing the next evening to LHR (also A class) - technically next day flight but any experience if the agent might grant access to the AC or flagship in LAX?
Correct - only full-fare (F/J) and award tickets (Z/U) grant lounge access on a transcon flight. Discount first, discount business, and mileage/500-mile/systemwide upgrade inventory buckets on transcons do not qualify for lounge access.

Yes, technically in LAX it's not the "same-day of your international flight," but I think it's worth showing your continuing BP and asking nicely to see if you can access the Flagship Lounge since you are an EXP continuing onwards to an international flight.
JY1024 is offline  
Old Dec 6, 11, 5:58 pm
  #100  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,187
Well, it looks like OW has issued a lounge policy update/clarification. Ruby and non-elites must use only the operating airline's lounge (or contracted lounge I suppose) even in J and F. The new policy states:

When you fly First or Business Class with a oneworld member airline, you are free to enjoy that airline’s First or Business Class lounge (depending on which class you are flying) before departure, regardless of your frequent flyer tier status.

This lounge access also applies when you connect from a domestic or intra-European segment to or from a oneworld longhaul First or Business Class flight
How generous -- "you are free to enjoy that airline's First or Business Class lounge before departure!"
bangkokiscool is offline  
Old Dec 7, 11, 9:14 am
  #101  
Moderator: American AAdvantage and New York City
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Programs: AA PLT, Natl EC
Posts: 10,750
My colleague JY1024 has updated the OP and I've updated the Lounge Access Help Desk thread to reflect the new wording of the oneworld website, explicitly restricting class-of-service based access to the airline the pax is flying.

Thanks to all!

/Moderator
dstan is offline  
Old Dec 7, 11, 12:20 pm
  #102  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by Microwave View Post
That's correct. Paid A on this route is often (always?) cheaper than paid J (speaking of point-to-point fares, not as part of an international connection).
It's an absurd rule, IMHO. But show me a market where paid A that allows includes three-cabin AFS flights, are cheaper than paid J/D/I that includes three cabin AFS flights?

Almost(?) all domestic "A" fares do not allow three-cabin AFS.
buyjalapenos is offline  
Old Dec 7, 11, 12:22 pm
  #103  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by bangkokiscool View Post
Well, it looks like OW has issued a lounge policy update/clarification. Ruby and non-elites must use only the operating airline's lounge (or contracted lounge I suppose) even in J and F. The new policy states:



How generous -- "you are free to enjoy that airline's First or Business Class lounge before departure!"
Smart policy, IMHO. Stops all that "I could only score an AA F award since JAL/BA/CX actually value their premium product, but I want to use the better lounges."

Book AA in F because you can't get (and won't pay for) anything else, stay in the stupid AC.
buyjalapenos is offline  
Old Dec 7, 11, 6:25 pm
  #104  
Moderator: American AAdvantage, Signatures
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London, England
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum, National Exec, AA EXP Emeritus
Posts: 9,155
Originally Posted by budgetingjew View Post
It's an absurd rule, IMHO. But show me a market where paid A that allows includes three-cabin AFS flights, are cheaper than paid J/D/I that includes three cabin AFS flights?

Almost(?) all domestic "A" fares do not allow three-cabin AFS.
I'm certainly not here to defend AA, and I have to admit that I don't fully understand exactly what you're asking, but the lowest published fare that books into J inventory on JFK-LAX is $2592 each way. The lowest published fare that books into A inventory is $2403. I was just pointing out that tickets booking into J on these routes are more expensive than tickets booking into A, at least when looking at point-to-point fares, so from that perspective it may make sense to limit access to full-fare only.

Originally Posted by budgetingjew View Post
Book AA in F because you can't get (and won't pay for) anything else, stay in the stupid AC.
Woah there, no sense getting all bent out of shape.
Microwave is offline  
Old Dec 13, 11, 5:09 am
  #105  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 93
The new wording isnt exactly being enforced yet. I was able to access qantas first lounge at HKG with a cx first boarding pass
jh811 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: