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JSSAUCE Aug 15, 2018 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by BWISkyGuy (Post 30086737)
Just out of curiosity, when you say self-booking do you mean you're buying it through AA instead of online with a tool from a corporate travel agency? The reason I ask is that if anyone but AA issues the ticket, they do (rightly) charge $50 (last time I did it) to take control of the ticket and reissue another agency's ticket. For the most part they make it pretty painless and keep the corporate contract/discount (to your benefit), but that's one case where there is a fee to doing a personal upfare of a company ticket, so I just thought I'd add that.

Are you sure about the $50 fee for all??? I know it's waived for CK, not sure about EXP/PLAT PRO/PLAT/GOLD.

JonNYC Aug 16, 2018 7:29 am


Originally Posted by Beltway2A (Post 30086553)
The colloqialism on FT is usually "upfaring" (but see the edit below) and consists of paying the fare difference. In my experience the change fee is waived as well, though I'm not 100% sure if AA internal policy requires it. You should have no problems doing so.

Edit: Thanks to JonNYC for finding the relevant documents, and correcting my term - you want "sell up."

It -was- actually called upfaring or at least that was the best way to direct agents to use their webref to find the policy, so your term was/is correct up until very recently. In fact, for agents that knew the policy w/o looking it up, still might make sense to have/use both names since this has been a stubbornly difficult issue at times (getting them to find it.)

gradboozer Aug 16, 2018 7:55 am


Originally Posted by JSSAUCE (Post 30087159)
Are you sure about the $50 fee for all??? I know it's waived for CK, not sure about EXP/PLAT PRO/PLAT/GOLD.

It has been hit or miss for me. Some agents charge it, some don't. I did about 3 or 4 "upsells" or "upfares" and was then hit with this charge. I thought it was a little ridiculous, especially considering my travel desk won't process these requests, so I'm stuck paying the $50 fee or breaking company travel policy by booking direct.

bisonrav Aug 18, 2018 3:29 pm

Called them this morning, and no problem at all moving from a Main Cabin fare to First, no additional fees - I told the agent I was looking for the "sell up" as suggested and he knew exactly what it was. So thanks again for that.

On terminology, I'd never have searched for "upfare" or even "upsell". Certainly wasn't a "self upgrade", this was brain fade after a long working week. Probably I'd look for "paid upgrade". Anyone with a BA bent would look for POUG, which is hereby safely embedded in this thread for future googling ;)

britz Aug 20, 2018 10:14 am

EQD on upfare?
 
Hi all - tried to search and didn't see an answer easily. I had an Economy ticket I called in and upfared to Premium Economy (fare code P on my reissued ticket - not a day of upgrade). The ticket credited as Economy and I called in and it was changed (resulting in 1.5x EQM vs 1) but the agent told me the additional fare I paid does not count towards EQD - is this correct? I was under the impression it would. I then asked her if I had a company purchased economy ticket and paid the fare difference for Business class if I'd receive the additional EQD - and she said I would not. Anyone with experience here? The additional fare was ~$400 so not much, but if I am supposed to be getting it I would like to. Thanks!

ijgordon Aug 20, 2018 11:10 am

You should definitely be entitled to the full EQM based on the total price you paid for Premium Economy. Call back and try again. (I assume you called AAdvantage Customer Service--phone # on AA.com--for this the first time, but just checking). Maybe remind them that you paid the full published PE fare for the ticket.

britz Aug 20, 2018 11:55 am


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 30105867)
You should definitely be entitled to the full EQM based on the total price you paid for Premium Economy. Call back and try again. (I assume you called AAdvantage Customer Service--phone # on AA.com--for this the first time, but just checking). Maybe remind them that you paid the full published PE fare for the ticket.

Thanks - I did receive the additional EQM when I called in but my question is whether I am supposed to receive the additional EQD for the additional fare paid. My understanding was once you upfare and the ticket is reissued - it is no different than if I had booked PE at booking. The agent told me upfaring a ticket does not result in additional EQD.

potus18 Aug 20, 2018 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by britz (Post 30106082)
Thanks - I did receive the additional EQM when I called in but my question is whether I am supposed to receive the additional EQD for the additional fare paid. My understanding was once you upfare and the ticket is reissued - it is no different than if I had booked PE at booking. The agent told me upfaring a ticket does not result in additional EQD.

The agent was incorrect -- upfaring a ticket should always result in receiving EQDs for the full fare you paid.

britz Aug 20, 2018 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by potus18 (Post 30107498)
The agent was incorrect -- upfaring a ticket should always result in receiving EQDs for the full fare you paid.

Thanks, this was my expectation. I'll try calling back tomorrow.

Dave Noble Aug 20, 2018 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by britz (Post 30106082)
Thanks - I did receive the additional EQM when I called in but my question is whether I am supposed to receive the additional EQD for the additional fare paid. My understanding was once you upfare and the ticket is reissued - it is no different than if I had booked PE at booking. The agent told me upfaring a ticket does not result in additional EQD.

As long as you are upgrading to a normal published fare, then indeed points etc are due as per the new ticket - this is no different to cancelling and booking a new ticket


If some discounted special upgrade offer is taken advantage of ( which would seem v unlikely to be situation in this case ) , then it may be that earnings will be as per original booking class

EQM is tied to booking class in exactly same way that EQD is - EQD is simpler in that it doesn't matter the booking class, just relates to how much the fare was


Originally Posted by britz (Post 30107601)
Thanks, this was my expectation. I'll try calling back tomorrow.

I wouldn't bother to be honest - it seems clear that the agent was now au fait with how the aadvantage scheme works

In the very unlikely event that EQDs do not post in relation to fare paid, then call up and get it fixed

hbtr Aug 21, 2018 12:11 am


Originally Posted by britz (Post 30105546)
Hi all - tried to search and didn't see an answer easily. I had an Economy ticket I called in and upfared to Premium Economy (fare code P on my reissued ticket - not a day of upgrade). The ticket credited as Economy and I called in and it was changed (resulting in 1.5x EQM vs 1) but the agent told me the additional fare I paid does not count towards EQD - is this correct? I was under the impression it would. I then asked her if I had a company purchased economy ticket and paid the fare difference for Business class if I'd receive the additional EQD - and she said I would not. Anyone with experience here? The additional fare was ~$400 so not much, but if I am supposed to be getting it I would like to. Thanks!

In my experience the upfare amount does count towards EQD. For me that’s pretty important for reaching a status level.

perhaps the agent was confusing this with a day-of-travel (LFBU or DOD) paid upgrade offer? I believe that payment would not count toward EQD but I have no experience (never received such an offer, at least not on AA).

britz Aug 21, 2018 6:34 am


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 30107897)
As long as you are upgrading to a normal published fare, then indeed points etc are due as per the new ticket - this is no different to cancelling and booking a new ticket

If some discounted special upgrade offer is taken advantage of ( which would seem v unlikely to be situation in this case ) , then it may be that earnings will be as per original booking class


Originally Posted by hbtr (Post 30108693)

In my experience the upfare amount does count towards EQD. For me that’s pretty important for reaching a status level.

perhaps the agent was confusing this with a day-of-travel (LFBU or DOD) paid upgrade offer? I believe that payment would not count toward EQD but I have no experience (never received such an offer, at least not on AA).

I did an upfare over the phone 2 months prior to departure from an economy S fare code to a premium economy P fare code on the long-haul and the short-haul segment was reissued as economy H. All the flights have credited and I received EQD based on the original fare purchased (based on the originally purchased outbound I class, return S class) and it does not reflect the additional $400 fare paid in the EQD total.

I did make it complicated by taking a buy up offer to business at check-in, but the agent didn't seem confused by this part and as far as I know the buy-up shouldn't revert my ticket back and the agent had no problem seeing my P class "original" ticket (the credited fare code was manually changed to P but the additional EQD wasn't reflected). Based on everyone's input - I should receive credit based on the additional fare paid as well.

The red flag to me with the agent was when I asked (as I said already) if I had an economy fare that was upfared to business, say for 3k, that this additional fare would not count to EQD :confused: No one would do this then, ever!

JonNYC Aug 21, 2018 7:23 am


Originally Posted by hbtr (Post 30108693)
...perhaps the agent was confusing this with a day-of-travel (LFBU or DOD) paid upgrade offer?

No doubt they were.

britz Aug 21, 2018 11:03 am


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 30109771)
No doubt they were.

Agreed - called back and the agent immediately understood what the issue was. Said it will take 24-72 hours to be fixed. So now just have to wait.

Nomorepretzels Aug 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Couple of days ago the DW booked MIA-LGA-MIA flights thru AA.com for both of us in October. In her normal style of trying to do 15 things at the same time she mistakenly selected main cabin. :td

I got on the horn, followed the prompts, waited maybe 30 seconds, told them that I wanted to "sell up". She confirmed the CC # on file, stated the extra $$ cost and the fact that there would be no Change Fee.

I thanked her very very much and that was it. Entire call lasted maybe 3 mins. Bingo Bango Bongo. Done. :D

My lucky day, I guess.


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