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[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
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The first AA 787-8, N800AN, has been built; flight testing began 6 January 2015 with the article currently referred to as "BOE-817".
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
(Post #186, JonNYC, has details for the 787-9.)
The All Things 787 Blog states American has 16 787-8s and 26 787-9s on order.
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
(lower right wiki corner)[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
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The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
28 B/C, 48 MCE, 150 MC
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
Originally Posted by American Airlines
Boeing 787s
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
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Jul 25, 2012, 3:43 pm
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ARCHIVE: AA 787 Orders / Delays / Changes / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolida
I'm not saying Wikipedia is the horse's mouth on anything, but they have a pretty extensive list of all orders/deliveries for the Dreamliner here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
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MODERATOR NOTE
In order to keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. (See wikipost above.)
As always, please avoid bumping old threads with outdated information; please use this thread for now to discuss these issues, and feel free to contact the moderator team if you feel a post or thread needs some behind-the-scenes administration. Thank you!
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
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MODERATOR NOTE
In order to keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. (See wikipost above.)
As always, please avoid bumping old threads with outdated information; please use this thread for now to discuss these issues, and feel free to contact the moderator team if you feel a post or thread needs some behind-the-scenes administration. Thank you!
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
~Microwave
AAdvantage Forum Co-Moderator
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Jul 25, 2012, 3:46 pm
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The 787 order is not on Boeing's website either. It's due to AA's unique, and unilateral right to cancel the order if it did not achieve a satisfactory pilot agreement. Nothing to do with bankruptcy.
Makes sense that Boeing can't count the order as firm as long as the buyer has a unilateral right to escape.
Nevertheless, it's a firm order from AA's perspective (as Boeing has no right to cancel), and AA has paid deposits and has discussed compensation for the multi-year delay.
Once AA gets the pilots to sign the LBO or the contract is abrogated, I suspect that Boeing will show the order as firm on its website.
Makes sense that Boeing can't count the order as firm as long as the buyer has a unilateral right to escape.
Nevertheless, it's a firm order from AA's perspective (as Boeing has no right to cancel), and AA has paid deposits and has discussed compensation for the multi-year delay.
Once AA gets the pilots to sign the LBO or the contract is abrogated, I suspect that Boeing will show the order as firm on its website.
Jul 25, 2012, 3:49 pm
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The 787 order is not on Boeing's website either. It's due to AA's unique, and unilateral right to cancel the order if it did not achieve a satisfactory pilot agreement. Nothing to do with bankruptcy.
Makes sense that Boeing can't count the order as firm as long as the buyer has a unilateral right to escape.
Nevertheless, it's a firm order from AA's perspective (as Boeing has no right to cancel), and AA has paid deposits and has discussed compensation for the multi-year delay.
Makes sense that Boeing can't count the order as firm as long as the buyer has a unilateral right to escape.
Nevertheless, it's a firm order from AA's perspective (as Boeing has no right to cancel), and AA has paid deposits and has discussed compensation for the multi-year delay.
Jul 25, 2012, 6:54 pm
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I'm not saying Wikipedia is the horse's mouth on anything, but they have a pretty extensive list of all orders/deliveries for the Dreamliner here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
Jul 25, 2012, 6:59 pm
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Since when has Wikipedia been considered a reliable and up to date source of information? Sure many here may believe it is and use it as such but it isn't. I would never use it for academic or professional purposes, if you want to learn more about Boeing orders go directly to the source.
Jul 25, 2012, 7:04 pm
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I'm thoroughly confused. Why berate the OP for referencing wiki? It's not like the OP used it for academic or professional purposes. Besides, if the OP had gone to the Boeing website, the OP would have had the same exact question. The OP's question was an aviation-related trivia question, not an acdemic or professional report.
Jul 25, 2012, 7:14 pm
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Cheers.
Jul 25, 2012, 8:52 pm
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Yup. I've used it on a number of subjects and found it to be quite good and quite accurate. Yes, anyone can edit, but it seems that malicious editing is minimal, and the people doing the edits are generally quite knowledgeable. I've looked at everything from pop culture to highly technical and am quite a fan.
Cheers.
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Jul 26, 2012, 4:14 am
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I'm not saying Wikipedia is the horse's mouth on anything, but they have a pretty extensive list of all orders/deliveries for the Dreamliner here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...and_deliveries
American's order of 42 of these aircraft is not here. Any idea why? Might it be Chapter 11 related?
Since when has Wikipedia been considered a reliable and up to date source of information? Sure many here may believe it is and use it as such but it isn't. I would never use it for academic or professional purposes, if you want to learn more about Boeing orders go directly to the source.
Jul 26, 2012, 6:24 pm
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Thank you. I don't know how this thread became an argument about Wiki, particularly when my OP specifically stated my doubts about Wiki.
Since AA was the only airline I could think of not included on the list, I thought it was an interesting topic for discussion.
Since AA was the only airline I could think of not included on the list, I thought it was an interesting topic for discussion.
Aug 24, 2012, 8:07 am
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AA 787 Orders / Delays / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolidated)
Not familiar with how the logistics around airplane deliveries work, so I'm curious to understand if the cancellation of orders, such as Qantas' recent 35 planes (787-9), will reshuffle the delivery schedule to other airlines, and most importantly, advance the delivery to AA? 
Aug 24, 2012, 8:22 am
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Delivery slots are negotiated with airlines. With cancellations from some customers and new & additional orders from others, there is typically wiggle room for airlines to negotiate forward or back on delivery--but it is definitely a negotiation, it is not automatic.
Aug 24, 2012, 8:49 am
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Not to mention that AA's 787 order isnt even an confirmed one yet. My understanding is they have to finally sign the order 18 months before the delivery slot comes open, or they loose the slot.
Aug 24, 2012, 8:51 am
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I have a hunch not much will be genuinely accomplished along these lines until Chapter 11 is at six o'clock (aft) for AA.
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Probably true at this point. With the possibility of some sort of merger ( many would say likelihood), seems logical to decide on a final 787 order once this occurs post bankruptcy.
The preliminary MOU or LOI for the AA's 787's were stuck years ago and much has changed.
The preliminary MOU or LOI for the AA's 787's were stuck years ago and much has changed.