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ARCHIVE: Baggage / luggage limits, interline, rules etc. (consolidated)

 
Old Mar 28, 2015, 6:17 pm
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Checking Baggage through

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I am Booked on BA to fly from ORD to GLA via LHR in June. I will be staying with friends near Grand Rapids (GRR). A new flight has appeared that would let me fly from GRR to ORD with about 4 and a half hours to spare to get the BA flight.

I will be paying for this flight using Avios. Is it possible to join this flight up with my BA booking so that I can check my bags in at GRR through to GLA?
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Old Mar 28, 2015, 7:06 pm
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You cannot "join" or otherwise merge two tickets. AA can put a note in the PNR notes referincing your onward ticket, but that really will not make a difference.

You are at the mercy of the whim of the GRR agent. Ask when you check-in and have a copy of your BA e-ticket receipt showing the actual BA ticket.

If you can't get it done, 4 hours is plenty of time to retrieve your bag, check in at BA and head to the gate.
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Old Mar 28, 2015, 9:26 pm
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Persistence is the name of the game. We picked up a killer MR out of PHX on AA for late February, used Avios for the positioning flights from, back to SAN. US policy is to NOT merge PNRs - even for 2 US itineraries - but I was able to convince gate agents (in both directions) to create manual baggage tags, worked perfectly.
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Old Mar 28, 2015, 10:27 pm
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AA will check through on separate itineraries as long as the flights are AA or other oneworld airlines. In your case, yes they will check through to BA.

You will also have the protection of AA's policies protecting separate itineraries as if they are one (as long as both itineraries are AA or oneworld).

No need to call in for this.
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Old Mar 29, 2015, 5:00 am
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Originally Posted by Often1
You cannot "join" or otherwise merge two tickets. AA can put a note in the PNR notes referincing your onward ticket, but that really will not make a difference.

You are at the mercy of the whim of the GRR agent. Ask when you check-in and have a copy of your BA e-ticket receipt showing the actual BA ticket.

If you can't get it done, 4 hours is plenty of time to retrieve your bag, check in at BA and head to the gate.
They are not really "at the mercy of the whim" of the agent.
AA policy is separate tickets on OW carriers have the same protections as if if one. Checking bags should not be an issue, and I believe the international baggage charges (or lack of them, for at least one bag) will apply.
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Old Mar 29, 2015, 7:33 am
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This is routinely debated and the language of the AA policy is that connections are protected. That has nothing to do with baggage interlining.

If OP no shows for his BA flight xORD because AA late delivers him to ORD, AA will rebook him as though he were on a single ticket.

Hence all up to the check-in agent and that agent's competence and willingness.
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Old Mar 29, 2015, 8:09 am
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thanks for your help guys much appreciated. Any Idea what I could do in 4 1/2 hours at ORD? Is there anywhere of interest nearby?
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Old Mar 29, 2015, 12:18 pm
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Originally Posted by ayrshiredude
thanks for your help guys much appreciated. Any Idea what I could do in 4 1/2 hours at ORD? Is there anywhere of interest nearby?
Go to Rivers casino or Fashion outlet mall in Rosemont
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Old Mar 29, 2015, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
This is routinely debated and the language of the AA policy is that connections are protected. That has nothing to do with baggage interlining.

If OP no shows for his BA flight xORD because AA late delivers him to ORD, AA will rebook him as though he were on a single ticket.

Hence all up to the check-in agent and that agent's competence and willingness.
^ The check-in agent would be in violation of AA's own policies if he or she refused to thru-check the baggage. I would recommend calling in just to see if a reservations agent can put the segment in the PNR so the bags will be thru-checked automatically.

That being said, since you'd be traveling on two separate tickets, you'd be on the hook for any baggage fees on the GRR-ORD ticket.
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Old Apr 2, 2015, 9:42 am
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UPDATE from OP: Effective 1 April 2015, Resolution 302 has been modified and now requires that in case of codeshares, the baggage rules for interline itineraries be applied based on the Most Significant Marketing Carrier rather than the Most Significant Operating Carrier -- i.e. it extends existing DOT requirements for flights to/from the U.S. to the rest of the world.

However, there's a twist: a marketing carrier can file that it defers baggage rules to those of the operating carrier. (Not applicable to journeys to or from the U.S.).

As a reminder, baggage provisions are defined as free baggage allowance rules and baggage charges.

And all of this is behind the scenes, used to figure out what's the baggage allowance that's in the ticket and printed in the receipt.
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Old Apr 2, 2015, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by hillrider
UPDATE from OP: Effective 1 April 2015, Resolution 302 has been modified and now requires that in case of codeshares, the baggage rules for interline itineraries be applied based on the Most Significant Marketing Carrier rather than the Most Significant Operating Carrier -- i.e. it extends existing DOT requirements for flights to/from the U.S. to the rest of the world.

However, there's a twist: a marketing carrier can file that it defers baggage rules to those of the operating carrier. (Not applicable to journeys to or from the U.S.).

As a reminder, baggage provisions are defined as free baggage allowance rules and baggage charges.

And all of this is behind the scenes, used to figure out what's the baggage allowance that's in the ticket and printed in the receipt.
I can see one potential down side to this. Airlines might reduce the number of codeshares, which would cause the loss of mileage for many flyers.
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Old Apr 2, 2015, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by mvoight
I can see one potential down side to this. Airlines might reduce the number of codeshares, which would cause the loss of mileage for many flyers.
On average, codeshares are much more confusing than helpful. Earning miles in some situations seems to be about the only benefit. If that's the tradeoff against understanding what baggage rules will apply, where to go to checkin, who to call when something goes wrong, how to upgrade, etc. I think it's a net win to have fewer of them.

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Old Apr 2, 2015, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by jordyn
On average, codeshares are much more confusing than helpful. Earning miles in some situations seems to be about the only benefit. If that's the tradeoff against understanding what baggage rules will apply, where to go to checkin, who to call when something goes wrong, how to upgrade, etc. I think it's a net win to have fewer of them.

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I'd rather have the miles, until they start charging OW Sapphires for bags
Except for some circumstances, you aren't able to use AA miles to upgrade a flight operated by another carrier whether it is a code share or not.
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Old Apr 2, 2015, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by mvoight
I'd rather have the miles, until they start charging OW Sapphires for bags
Except for some circumstances, you aren't able to use AA miles to upgrade a flight operated by another carrier whether it is a code share or not.
Sure, you may want that. I said on average, meaning for most people. Even Flyertalkers frequently get tripped up by codeshares and for normal fliers there's all sorts ways things can go more wrong with codeshares than with flights marketed and operated by the same carrier.
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Old Apr 2, 2015, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by hillrider
UPDATE from OP: Effective 1 April 2015, Resolution 302 has been modified and now requires that in case of codeshares, the baggage rules for interline itineraries be applied based on the Most Significant Marketing Carrier rather than the Most Significant Operating Carrier -- i.e. it extends existing DOT requirements for flights to/from the U.S. to the rest of the world.

However, there's a twist: a marketing carrier can file that it defers baggage rules to those of the operating carrier. (Not applicable to journeys to or from the U.S.).

As a reminder, baggage provisions are defined as free baggage allowance rules and baggage charges.

And all of this is behind the scenes, used to figure out what's the baggage allowance that's in the ticket and printed in the receipt
The Marketing carrier for travel to the USA can defer to the Operating carrier ; The Cathay site nicely explains the new allowances

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_A...r-journey.html

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