Beckles

I'm certainly not trying to defend TSA, but there's certainly more to this story than we've heard I suspect ... what strikes me as odd about the four "samples" that AEPilot posted is that they appear to be cut and paste jobs since "devise" is misspelled the same. This post certainly leads to more questions than it provides answers.

n4zhg

It should be docked from their paychecks. And they get to spend their weekends off washing airplanes for the next six months. For free.

If I were in charge, they wouldn't have any butt left because I would have chewed it all off.

videomaker

Maybe if you had to fill out 14 similar reports, you'd use cut and paste, too?

I don't know, but AEPilot76 has some credibility on this forum and I don't think he's making this up.

AEpilot76

It is a cut and paste job, from the DECS system that AA/AE uses. DECS is crew and aircraft tracking system that crewmembers use on a daily basis. There is about 3 pages of the particular entry I made (DIS 19AUG ORD/ALL). I didn't write anything in those entries, either operations or dispatch did.

Feel free to verify this information with Jrhone who also has access to DECS. This story is also going on 3 pages on the eagle pilots website

n4zhg

+ 1 google

mvoight

Monkeys would be a few rungs higher on the evolution chain.

mvoight

Thanks for the clarification of what TSA means, in the subject line. I thought the S stood for stupidty.

So, 14 planes damaged, that's 14 less that can be taken over.

n4zhg

How about [email protected] ?

JDiver

They will now probably make use of the necessity defense, claiming they were merely exercising their general duty to keep the community at large (us) safe from harm. This news definitely needs to get out to the media. Thanks for sharing, AEpilot.

Now, a multiple choice question:

Fourteen (14) is:

1) the number of Eagle aircraft damaged in an attempt to gain surreptitious egress

2) the shoe size of the idiot who stepped on and broke the TAT probes

3) the IQ of the leader of the exercise

4) the IQ of Mr. Hawley

5) all of the above.

Beckles

I certainly was not implying that AEPilot was not credible (and re-reading my post, I don't think it is that poorly worded that you can get to that conclusion easily), rather my point is that there are two sides to every story (three sides if you go with the old saying there's two sides and the truth), and I don't think the information AEPilot provided in the first post is even one complete side, rather just a piece of information. There's nothing wrong with that, he just provided what information he knew, all I was saying is that we are missing a lot of information about this story.

JDiver

What's left to be said? 14 aircraft, and the writeups on four delayed flights with the reason as stated.

Frankly, I'd love to hear what the TSA response might be.

videomaker

My vote is 5). Can we start a poll on this?

videomaker

I'm pretty sure AEpilot76 could have posted all 14 of them. He's in a position to know those things.

And, yeah, I'd just love to hear the TSA's response.

AEpilot76

Here's the rest of it, for the nay-sayers...Flights affected were:

3961
4072
4081
4073
3977
4143
3995
4425
4483
4145
4332
4010
4056
4397
4029
4358

I actually count 16 flights affected




3977 0645*933 DM 5 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 689 DUE TO
TSI DAMAGE
DMRDMR 3977/19 ORD¥689 MX 0550 DISC-INSP. DUE TO
NUM 1 TAT PROBE DUE TO TSA INSPECTOR USING IT
AS A GRAB HANDLE AS A LEFTING DEVISE TO GET IN
TO THE AIRCRAFT C/A-REVIEWCALL LOG FOR MORE IN
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-- DPTD ORD 5 MINS LATE
4143 0645 683 DM 13 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 630 TSI
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NUM 1 TAT PROBE DUE TO TSA INSPECTOR USING IT
AS A GRAB HANDLE AS A LEFTING DEVISE TO GET IN
TO THE AIRCRAFT C/A-REVIEWCALL LOG FOR MORE IN
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-- DPTD ORD 13 MINS LATE
-- ARR MEM 20 MINS LATE
-- CHG EQ CRJ7/514 TO E145/683
3995 0655 652 DM 12 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 686 TSI DA
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-- DPTD ORD 12 MINS LATE
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4425 0655*679 DM 23 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 614 DUE TO
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NFO
-- DPTD ORD 23 MINS LATE
-- ARR CLE 18 MINS LATE
4483 0655 684 DM 33 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 646 DUE TO
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-- DPTD ORD 44 MINS LATE
-- ARR CMH 55 MINS LATE ¥
4145 0700*680 DM 17 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 671 DUE TO
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-- DPTD ORD 17 MINS LATE
-- ARR DAL 45 MINS LATE
4149 0705 670 -- DPTD ORD 3 MINS EARLY
-- ARR TYS 10 MINS EARLY
4332 0710 626 DM 12 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 689 DUE TO
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-- DPTD ORD 12 MINS LATE
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-- DPTD ORD 10 MINS LATE
4022 0720 815 -- DPTD ORD 5 MINS EARLY
-- ARR ALB 9 MINS EARLY
4056 0725 664 DM 32 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 686 TSI
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TO THE AIRCRAFT C/A-REVIEWCALL LOG FOR MORE IN
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-- DPTD ORD 36 MINS LATE
-- ARR SYR 30 MINS LATE
4397 0725 677 DM 1 MINS DMG-O/A CODE 75C. SWAP FROM 630 DUE TO
TSI
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videomaker

I'm very glad you brought this to light. Let's see who picks it up.