eVIPs out of Paris -- Upgrade / Luxury Tax like London?

 
Old Feb 1, 09, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by tom911 View Post
Here's a thread from 2006 over in Newsstand discussing it:
UN chief hails new French air tax
I really don't need the French to help me help disadvantaged countries. If I want to help them, I will travel there myself.
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Old Feb 1, 09, 3:29 pm
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George Orwell would be pleased: "AIR PASSENGER SOLIDARITY TAX" is as fine a phrase for an onerous tax as I have ever seen turned by a governmental entity. Is that "La Marseillaise" playing in the background I hear? €40 is a pretty piece of change, and I do uncharitably wonder how much of the fee goes toward administration and general purposes... ("Air passenger solidarity tax" so sounds like it supports air passengers in some way - hah!)

The article Tom911 links to also says "Brazil, Britain, Chile, Congo, Cyprus, France, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Mauritius, Nicaragua, and Norway have now agreed to raise or started raising a sum from air tickets to help the poor..." Uh, Congo?

Meanwhile, flying to BRU, ZRH, FRA, MAD, BCN, for example, do not incur such fees, AFAIK. Au revoir, ma belle, unless I have a decided desire to visit.
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Old Apr 22, 09, 11:58 pm
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Just as an interesting "add" to this discussion, if you depart France, connect to the UK for a TATL flight and UG the TATL flight UK-USA, you will pay the French departure tax. I was surprised when quoted $51.30 (expecting 40 pounds = $60) and actually didn't know about the French tax. Still pleased with the free 23 hour stopover in LON and slightly lower tax ;-)
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Old Apr 23, 09, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by daveland View Post
Just as an interesting "add" to this discussion, if you depart France, connect to the UK for a TATL flight and UG the TATL flight UK-USA, you will pay the French departure tax. I was surprised when quoted $51.30 (expecting 40 pounds = $60) and actually didn't know about the French tax. Still pleased with the free 23 hour stopover in LON and slightly lower tax ;-)
If the stop was over 24 hours would you have had to pay both the French and British taxes?
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Old Apr 23, 09, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by mvoight View Post
If the stop was over 24 hours would you have had to pay both the French and British taxes?
Interesting question.. I thought I knew the answer and then I realized I would just be guessing
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Old Apr 23, 09, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by mvoight View Post
If the stop was over 24 hours would you have had to pay both the French and British taxes?
I'm 99% sure I know the answer - and it would be no. Once it's more than a 24 hour stop, it's no longer a connection but rather just a leg on your itinerary. In that case, you would only pay the tax you were departing for the States from (in my scenario, I'd pay the UK tax in that case).

Of course once the stop is more that 24 hours it may break your fare rule, which in my case is why it's 23 hours....
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Old Apr 26, 09, 12:12 am
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maybe this is the reason I should quit grousing about being stuck in steerage CDG-DFW by an O fare booking ($400 to up-fare!)

also reminding self at least it's the return trip, was upgraded on way over (ORD-CDG) as that part wasn't booked in O

Last edited by benzguy80; Apr 26, 09 at 12:35 am Reason: booked in O on rtn, not Q
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Old Nov 15, 10, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by hillrider View Post
The tax, code IZ, is the "AIR PASSENGER SOLIDARITY TAX" and goes from EUR10.00 in economy (or premium economy) to EUR40.00 in business or first. Note that it does not apply "WHEN TRANSITING FRANCE WITHIN 24 HOURS".
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but most of the talk is usually about the UK APD. Until this morning I had no idea the was a French equivalent.

I was scheduled to fly AUH-FRA-DFW-MIA (AA codeshare with Etihad from AUH) this morning, but when we arrived at the Abu Dhabi airport the FRA flight was delayed and would mis the AA flight out of FRA. So the EY folks found a direct AUH-CDG-MIA routing and as soon as it was issued I got on the phone to see about VIP upgrades CDG-MIA (since FRA-DFW had already cleared). She confirmed them, but said she'd "let the gate agents in Paris do the paperwork." That sounded a bit odd, but it was midnight in Abu Dhabi, so a lot sounded odd!

Anyway, we got into CDG from AUH about 0630 and were escorted through passport control and out to the hell that is the CDG ticket counter. (I may start a new post on that experience!) Where I was informed we needed to pay the tax to complete the upgrade. I asked if the tax weren't applicable because I was in transit/not O&D in France, but was told basically 'no tax, no BP' so I paid the tax (which I was told was US$50, not a Euro equiv). Haven't called the EXP desk yet, wondered about others' experiences.

Shouldn't I have been exempt?
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Old Nov 15, 10, 11:25 pm
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Originally Posted by PeoDeMIA View Post
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but most of the talk is usually about the UK APD. Until this morning I had no idea the was a French equivalent.

I was scheduled to fly AUH-FRA-DFW-MIA (AA codeshare with Etihad from AUH) this morning, but when we arrived at the Abu Dhabi airport the FRA flight was delayed and would mis the AA flight out of FRA. So the EY folks found a direct AUH-CDG-MIA routing and as soon as it was issued I got on the phone to see about VIP upgrades CDG-MIA (since FRA-DFW had already cleared). She confirmed them, but said she'd "let the gate agents in Paris do the paperwork." That sounded a bit odd, but it was midnight in Abu Dhabi, so a lot sounded odd!

Anyway, we got into CDG from AUH about 0630 and were escorted through passport control and out to the hell that is the CDG ticket counter. (I may start a new post on that experience!) Where I was informed we needed to pay the tax to complete the upgrade. I asked if the tax weren't applicable because I was in transit/not O&D in France, but was told basically 'no tax, no BP' so I paid the tax (which I was told was US$50, not a Euro equiv). Haven't called the EXP desk yet, wondered about others' experiences.

Shouldn't I have been exempt?
Are you saying you should be exempt because you were re-routed and not supposed to fly out of CDG? I don't know they would exempt someone from paying the tax because your original itinerary was not supposed to go through CDG.
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Old Nov 15, 10, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Time traveller View Post
Are you saying you should be exempt because you were re-routed and not supposed to fly out of CDG? I don't know they would exempt someone from paying the tax because your original itinerary was not supposed to go through CDG.
No, the poster is asking if he/she might be luxury tax exempt because they are connecting through Paris instead of originating there. A perfectly legitimate question, which, unfortunately, I don't know the anwswer to for CDG.

For London there would be no taxes required - even if connecting from a different PNR - but I'm not sure about Paris.

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Old Nov 15, 10, 11:54 pm
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Originally Posted by skye1 View Post
Sort of OT, but FWIW, I think FRA is still "tax free". If you're thinking on a winter MR, I'd shift German.
I thought I'd just read recently that FRA will be instituting a fee in the new year.

I suspect it was a message sent out to DoD employees but I'll have to track that down.
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Old Nov 16, 10, 8:49 am
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Wow, this tax makes for an amazingly painful experience getting on the airport waitlist at CDG.

Based on my experience yesterday, to do so after checking in you have to go to the ticketing desk (which, at least yesterday, involved a lengthy wait behind people with complicated ticketing issues) where they will try to talk you out of going on the waitlist (because it turns out to be a lot of work for them). If you persevere, they have to take an imprint of your card on carbon paper to charge your card if the upgrade actually goes through.

Then again, it is indeed unlikely you'll clear off the list because it seems like they sell upgrades at the check-in desk to fill up the cabin before processing any day-of upgrades. Grr. (I'd be less annoyed by this process if they actually offered the "pay for upgrade" option to people that had been waiting on the upgrade list as opposed to first come first served at the airport.)
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Old Nov 16, 10, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by Alka View Post
I thought I'd just read recently that FRA will be instituting a fee in the new year.

I suspect it was a message sent out to DoD employees but I'll have to track that down.
Yes german fees to go up in 2011
, seems like AMS, BRU and DUB are the now the least expensive
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Old Nov 17, 10, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by PeoDeMIA View Post
Where I was informed we needed to pay the tax to complete the upgrade. I asked if the tax weren't applicable because I was in transit/not O&D in France, but was told basically 'no tax, no BP' so I paid the tax (which I was told was US$50, not a Euro equiv). Haven't called the EXP desk yet, wondered about others' experiences.

Shouldn't I have been exempt?
I spoke with the EXP desk last night and they have sent my ticket to the refund department. At first the agent said she believed that everyone had to pay the tax when departing Paris (unlike the UK), but after checking with the rate department she was informed that it does not apply to transit passengers and that I should not have been charged the "solidarity tax" by the ticket agents at CDG and would receive a refund.
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Old Nov 18, 10, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by eireman View Post
Yes german fees to go up in 2011
, seems like AMS, BRU and DUB are the now the least expensive
But is the new German tax a "luxury" tax (i.e., charged to pax in premium cabins only) or a tax imposed on ALL tickets?
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