AA:" The only 3-class widebody service coast-to-coast!"

 
Old Mar 12, 07, 2:10 pm
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AA:" The only 3-class widebody service coast-to-coast!"

boasted in radio ads in the L.A. market.

How about those 3-class 777s & 763s UA is flying for years on the LAX-IAD and SFO-IAD? Huh, AA?
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:12 pm
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I imagine they were referring to JFK, reference to UA 'only' flying narrowbodies on ps routes.

Of course they're wrong, but the more interesting point is: Why do people care about widebody vs. narrowbody? If anything, I'd take a ps 757 in F over a 767 in F...
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As far as AA is concerned (and, sadly, many others), LAX-JFK is the only coast-to-coast route in the US.
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Not really UA-related. I'll send this off to AA.

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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:16 pm
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Agree that this is somewhat of a cheap shot, but putting yourself in AA's shoes, you've got to find something (anything) to tout your service as better than other carriers' offerings, so it's not a far stretch to use the widebody angle. Besides, I think there are some people who think widebody = always better. This is capitalizes on that somewhat irrational assumption.
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:20 pm
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Agree that this is somewhat of a cheap shot, but putting yourself in AA's shoes, you've got to find something (anything) to tout your service as better than other carriers' offerings, so it's not a far stretch to use the widebody angle. Besides, I think there are some people who think widebody = always better. This is capitalizes on that somewhat irrational assumption.
About the only real advantage AA has in LAX-JFK is more frequency and a better F lounge in LAX (and probably soon in JFK). I don't know why flying widebodies is a better thing to advertise than those two things... (I know they DO advertise better schedule in LA.)
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by qasr View Post
About the only real advantage AA has in LAX-JFK is more frequency and a better F lounge in LAX (and probably soon in JFK). I don't know why flying widebodies is a better thing to advertise than those two things... (I know they DO advertise better schedule in LA.)
"the most first and business class seats between LAX and JFK" as the ad also touts.
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman View Post
As far as AA is concerned (and, sadly, many others), LAX-JFK is the only coast-to-coast route in the US.
SFO-JFK does not count as coast-to-coast?

Also, DL flies (or used to) do SAN-JFK...
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:32 pm
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When Benjamin Disraeli ostensibly said "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics," marketing had not yet "evolved" to its present state. "The most first and business class seats" indeed! Self-serving, empty bloviating and puffery, and I wonder who is stupid enough to buy that particular message.

Now, ask me what I really think of it.

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"the most first and business class seats between LAX and JFK" as the ad also touts.
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:40 pm
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Well in AA's defense they are the only airline to fly widebodies on every flight on certain transcon routes. Yes IAD-SFO/LAX can see 777s and even the very occasional 747 but it can also see a 319. Equipment changes are derigeur on UA for that route.
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Originally Posted by qasr View Post
About the only real advantage AA has in LAX-JFK is more frequency and a better F lounge in LAX (and probably soon in JFK). I don't know why flying widebodies is a better thing to advertise than those two things... (I know they DO advertise better schedule in LA.)
Uh, advertising the flagship lounge(s) is only useful for a certain portion of the market... the widebody angle cuts a broader swath among possible fliers.
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Originally Posted by cesco.g View Post
...How about those 3-class 777s & 763s UA is flying for years on the LAX-IAD and SFO-IAD? Huh, AA?
And what "coast" is IAD on? Looks to me to have a chunk of Maryland and the entire state of Delaware between it and the east coast.
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SFO-JFK does not count as coast-to-coast?
Yes. But a 757 doesn't count as a widebody.
Also, DL flies (or used to) do SAN-JFK...
Still do... on a 757. (See above.)
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Old Mar 12, 07, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by sts603 View Post
Yes IAD-SFO/LAX can see 777s and even the very occasional 747 but it can also see a 319. Equipment changes are derigeur on UA for that route.

1) "can see": Widebodies have been continously and daily on that route for at least 10 years!

2) "de rigeur equipment changes": In well over a hundred widebody flights on those routes I have yet to experience a single downgrade from a 763, 777 or 744 to a narrow-body plane.
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UA really doesn't have any wide body three cabin "service" per se. Their service in F and C on widebody transcons (non ps) are pretty much identical, sadly. Service is most important to me, so I prefer ps F over AA AFS F, but all things being equal, I would take AA's seat on the widebody over UA's ps F seat.
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Originally Posted by cesco.g View Post

2) "de rigeur equipment changes": In well over a hundred widebody flights on those routes I have yet to experience a single downgrade from a 763, 777 or 744 to a narrow-body plane.
Didn't mean it that way. Meant that a flight number at a given time can often change from a 319 to 767 and back every couple of weeks based on UA's whims.
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