Can I get anymore segments out of this award ticket?

 
Old Feb 24, 07, 7:48 pm
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Can I get anymore segments out of this award ticket?

Hey guys, just looking for some advice from you clever AAdvantage folk regarding an award reservation I've just made. Im really looking to get the most of my miles/ticket, so am wondering if you have any advice/suggestions as to different routes, or more segments that I could fit in to my ticket. Im not sure if there is a limit to how many sectors i can fly, id imagine i cant backtrack etc...?

I love flying and am trying to get on good equip with a nice cabin. Thought id give JAL a go as they've just joined OW.

Anyway here is my current routing:

Perth - Sydney - Qantas B747-300
Sydney - Tokyo - JAL B747-400
Tokyo - London - British Airways B747-400
London - Tokyo - JAL B777-300
Tokyo - Sydney - JAL B747-400
Sydney - Perth - Qantas B747-300

All sectors are in J with an overnight stop at Tokyo on the way out.

Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions.
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Old Feb 24, 07, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Valentine View Post
Hey guys, just looking for some advice from you clever AAdvantage folk regarding an award reservation I've just made. Im really looking to get the most of my miles/ticket, so am wondering if you have any advice/suggestions as to different routes, or more segments that I could fit in to my ticket. Im not sure if there is a limit to how many sectors i can fly, id imagine i cant backtrack etc...?

I love flying and am trying to get on good equip with a nice cabin. Thought id give JAL a go as they've just joined OW.

Anyway here is my current routing:

Perth - Sydney - Qantas B747-300
Sydney - Tokyo - JAL B747-400
Tokyo - London - British Airways B747-400
London - Tokyo - JAL B777-300
Tokyo - Sydney - JAL B747-400
Sydney - Perth - Qantas B747-300

All sectors are in J with an overnight stop at Tokyo on the way out.

Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions.
Which award is this?
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Old Feb 24, 07, 11:35 pm
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Why on earth would anyone want to fly extra segments on an award ticket? You get the same number of miles (ZERO) no matter what your routing. Resist the urge to fly extra segments on an award ticket. Save up that pent-up desire until you're on a paid ticket. Then fly lots of paid segments and accumulate lots of miles.
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Old Feb 24, 07, 11:43 pm
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Originally Posted by SquareDanceGuy View Post
Why on earth would anyone want to fly extra segments on an award ticket? You get the same number of miles (ZERO) no matter what your routing. Resist the urge to fly extra segments on an award ticket. Save up that pent-up desire until you're on a paid ticket. Then fly lots of paid segments and accumulate lots of miles.
More opportunities for a bump or downgrade kit, which can be used to advantage in future MRs.
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Old Feb 25, 07, 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by SquareDanceGuy View Post
Why on earth would anyone want to fly extra segments on an award ticket? You get the same number of miles (ZERO) no matter what your routing. Resist the urge to fly extra segments on an award ticket. Save up that pent-up desire until you're on a paid ticket. Then fly lots of paid segments and accumulate lots of miles.
Guessing you missed the part where i said 'i love flying'. Also its a 120K rtn award ticket from Australia - England. I want to make the most of being able to fly allot in J for the same amount of miles as a normal rtn award would use up. Why would i want to pay to fly in J in the future when i can do it on an award ticket now for free???

Im getting pretty fed up with AA and their little expense additions they keep adding to upgrades also, and the fact that QF only give 25% miles flown on most tickets. So im using a bunch of miles to get home, (only really wanted a one way but it was the same amount to do a return so what they hey.) and want to get on as many flights in Business as possible. Im in no rush to get home, and really dont think flying in J is to much of a cumbersome task to warrant a more direct routing. :-)

So back to my original question....?
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Old Feb 25, 07, 6:27 am
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So back to my original question....?
Book this as a oneworld award (OW130C). You'll be able to max this out at 16 segments. Routing doesn't matter, but you won't be able to use JL until they're in oneworld.

PER-LON is around 9K, so you'll have almost 2K to play with. You can easily go RTW with creative routing.

You can overnight in Tokyo, or any oneworld city on the globe, as long as you don't stay 24 hours.
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Old Feb 25, 07, 6:46 am
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Wait Until JL join One World on 1st April, then as has been mentioned before go for the OneWorld 130000 points/20,000 miles award and fly Around the World. Use of miles is based on direct routing if you only have 24 hour stopovers en-route.

One example is PER-SYD-NRT-LAX-JFK-LHR-DEL-HKG-BKK-SIN-MEL-PER, you could even probably have a stop in both LHR and one of the Far East cities on your return. The actually routing would very much depend on what cities are important for you to stopover more than 24 hours and what cities would you be happy with in a quick 24 hour visit.

The rules are quite complex but well worth reading to get the Biggest Bang for your Bucks. More details are here.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=433366
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Old Feb 25, 07, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by Valentine View Post
Hey guys, just looking for some advice from you clever AAdvantage folk regarding an award reservation I've just made. Im really looking to get the most of my miles/ticket, so am wondering if you have any advice/suggestions as to different routes, or more segments that I could fit in to my ticket. Im not sure if there is a limit to how many sectors i can fly, id imagine i cant backtrack etc...?

I love flying and am trying to get on good equip with a nice cabin. Thought id give JAL a go as they've just joined OW.

Anyway here is my current routing:

Perth - Sydney - Qantas B747-300
Sydney - Tokyo - JAL B747-400
Tokyo - London - British Airways B747-400
London - Tokyo - JAL B777-300
Tokyo - Sydney - JAL B747-400
Sydney - Perth - Qantas B747-300

All sectors are in J with an overnight stop at Tokyo on the way out.

Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions.
As hard as I find it to understand WANTING to fly extra miles on a free ticket, I'd look at LHR - ORD - NRT - PER (or LGW - DFW - NRT - PER if you don't mind taking a bus from LHR to LGW or if you use the DFW - LGW route in both directions and avoid Heathrow entirely) for one or both directions. I THINK that would add some distance.

Or, LHR - ORD - LAX - NRT - PER (or LGW - DFW - LAX - NRT - PER).

Or even LHR - ORD - LAX - NRT - HKG - PER (using Cathay Pacific) or the equivalent DFW / LGW route.

Or, how about this: LHR- JFK - ORD - LAX - NRT - HKG - PER. I would imagine it wouldn't be too hard to add more segments if you're creative (how about LHR - JFK - ORD - LAX - NRT - HKG - Sydney - PER (maybe back to HKG in between)?

Heck, if you want to go crazy, how about LHR - JFK - ORD - STL - DFW - LAX - NRT - HKG - PER and then reverse it for the other direction. That's 16 segments - and I didn't even have to try very hard.

Good luck. Too bad there's no way for me to let you do my flying for me.

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Old Feb 25, 07, 7:24 pm
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Thank you for your replys. Im afraid i seem to have failed to mention that the idea of this trip is to get back to London, where I will be staying for an indefinate amount of time. (I know the ticket is limited to a 1 year useage) So the RTW routings, although very interesting wont be working out for me.

A couple of questions though:

Am i right in thinking I have an 11,000 mile limit each way on the ticket and a max of 16 segments?

Your saying wait until JL join OneWorld... Im not sure i understand this, as im already booked and confirmed on JL and my flight dep's in March. Why do i need to wait until they join in April? (excuse me if im missing something obvious here)

My award ticket is: AP120B-AP 1 BUSINESS CLASS TKT

I had another idea which is to come back say...

LHR-NRT - JAL/BA
NRT-SIN - JAL
SIN-SYD - QF
SYD-PER - QF

Although Im still unclear as to if i can backtrack on any segments?

Ive checked out all of Oneworld's Intl J class offerings and to me it seems BA/JAL offer two of the best beds, with QF comming up a close third and CX arriving in fourth. For me the other airlines arnt really worth considering. (Ive flown AA J more times than i care to mention, and until they upgrade their prodct to someting acceptable I wont be flying them again out of choice.)
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Old Feb 25, 07, 8:43 pm
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Ive checked out all of Oneworld's Intl J class offerings and to me it seems BA/JAL offer two of the best beds, with QF comming up a close third and CX arriving in fourth. For me the other airlines arnt really worth considering. (Ive flown AA J more times than i care to mention, and until they upgrade their prodct to someting acceptable I wont be flying them again out of choice.)
Man you are a little crazy But then again who am I to judge (SYD-LAX via HKG in a couple of weeks).

I am not sure I agree with your rating of seats - I havent flown JAL but I do prefer QF/CX to BA and teh food on CX is great.

Enjoy your trip though I can't believe that you have managed to book those award seats though - I thought J awards were rare...
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Old Feb 25, 07, 8:43 pm
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Thank you for your replys. Im afraid i seem to have failed to mention that the idea of this trip is to get back to London, where I will be staying for an indefinate amount of time.
Then use any of the itineraries I provided and then reverse them for the return trip.
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Old Feb 25, 07, 9:07 pm
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Man you are a little crazy But then again who am I to judge (SYD-LAX via HKG in a couple of weeks).

I am not sure I agree with your rating of seats - I havent flown JAL but I do prefer QF/CX to BA and teh food on CX is great.

Enjoy your trip though I can't believe that you have managed to book those award seats though - I thought J awards were rare...
Yes i guess you could put me down as being somewhat crazy

I only rate the seats in that order as i dont find the CX/QF seats to be that comfortable and have found myself sliding down into the seat in front on many an occasion. Whereas BA's true flat bed seat, although possibly not as comfortable is, well flat. JAL's service/food is very good i've heard.

Are these J awards hard to get avail for then? I booked mine a few days ago, so i guess around a month in advance.

Any help with my previous questions would be appreciated.

jragosta - Im looking into those ittin's as we speak. Thanks!
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Old Feb 25, 07, 9:53 pm
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Just got off the phone with the Indian call center. (nightmare) From what i can understand my ticket has a 23,681 mile limit on it. But they also said that I couldnt add anymore segments to the ticket. Not sure how much, if any of this to beleive to be honest. Getting a fair bit of conflicting information from them.

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Old Feb 25, 07, 10:32 pm
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Have you tried calling the US number? I find them very helpful (operating hours are slightly adrift from us in Oz) and very professional. Its only the cost of a call to the US and very beneficial if you ask me.
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Old Feb 26, 07, 9:45 pm
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Have you tried calling the US number? I find them very helpful (operating hours are slightly adrift from us in Oz) and very professional. Its only the cost of a call to the US and very beneficial if you ask me.

Yeah I guess ill do that. On my last call to the Indian-subcontinent i was told that my ticket was in the process of being issued and therefor i couldn't make any changes to it with ought incurring a 100 USD penalty. Even though I was told by the supervisor that I could change it up until the 9th March (I tavel on the 21st) and then after that I could just make date/flight number changes for free. I think its time i spoke to someone who knows what they are on about...

On a side note - when will companies figure out that their customers get mighty p*ssed off with having to deal with Indian call centres. I know its saving them allot of money, but at the end of the day you have to balance customer satisfaction with your service compared to cutting corners in terms of saving money.
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