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AAaLot Dec 9, 06 1:36 pm

Ovenight connections: baggage and boarding pass (consolidated)
 
With an overnight connection (i.e. landing at 6pm taking off the next morning at 10am) is it possible to check the bags all the way through?

Can I get my boarding pass for the 2nds flight as I get my boarding pass for the 1st day's flight?

JGR01 Dec 9, 06 1:57 pm

It used to be that you had to be on a 'connection' which is defined as less than 4 hours (and as an 'X' vs 'O' on the ticket) to get boarding passes.

Now, I understand you can get boarding passes that go for 24 hours from the TIME of your first checkin.

Flight #1 departs at 2pm, you land at 6pm .. stay the night and Flight #2 departs at 10am the next day. This should work.

I have done it all on AA so cannot say about OW carriers (and within 'normal' US time zones so cannot comment on Asia/Europe time zones).

I many times have taken a 6am flight out .. with an 11pm flight back (LAX-ORD-MSP). They can issue the BPs except that the final flight (ORD-MSP) leaves at like 7am the next morning so that is outside the 24 hour window.

OLCI .. hm .. not certain when the 24 starts on that since it is 24 before first flight .. may be only that the first flight will be allowed (or the 24 hour clock starts with that OLCI). I always use PERSON checkin at the airport. That might be the 'trick'.

Bags . again on AA should work (unless there is some wierd countries involved).

lurcher Dec 9, 06 2:42 pm

Yes, you have the option of checking all the way through or just to the overnight destination.

So 2 weeks ago went DFW-MIA overnighted, then MIA-ARU - luggage decided to make it to MIA then the wonderful ramp agents decided not to load up 6 couples worth of luggage the next day - all overnighting in MIA...

AA is 2 for 2 on my luggage into the carribean....

Michael

PlatinumScum Dec 9, 06 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by lurcher (Post 6820787)
AA is 2 for 2 on my luggage into the carribean....

They've thrown your bags into the water twice? I think I'd find another airline. ;)

jrhone Dec 9, 06 10:34 pm

You can not through check bags if your connection is greater than 12 hours .

Your boarding pass for the flight the next day can be issued at the airport when you check in for your original flight. You can check in up to 24 hours in advance. If the agent will not do it for you, then you can check in online and print your boarding passes.

Also , just to add ..Bags will not be checked through for customers ticketed on:

Last connecting flight arriving on day 1
First flight out on day 2 .

AAaLot Dec 10, 06 7:08 am


Originally Posted by jrhone (Post 6822427)
You can not through check bags if your connection is greater than 12 hours .

Also , just to add ..Bags will not be checked through for customers ticketed on:

Last connecting flight arriving on day 1
First flight out on day 2 .

Is this true?

I find this hard to believe.

sechs Dec 10, 06 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by jrhone (Post 6822427)
Also , just to add ..Bags will not be checked through for customers ticketed on:

Last connecting flight arriving on day 1
First flight out on day 2 .

So, the second flight out on day 2 is good? Maybe I'm missing something.

JDiver Dec 10, 06 5:06 pm

I haven't done any LIFOs recently, but when I have done SMF-DFW <RON> DFW-CZM, I have been required to retrieve my dive gear bags and re-check them the following day. The RON is over 12 hours.

YMMV, but I would like to see this discussed and documented by others. :)

dinger Dec 10, 06 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 6825460)
I haven't done any LIFOs recently, but when I have done SMF-DFW <RON> DFW-CZM, I have been required to retrieve my dive gear bags and re-check them the following day. The RON is over 12 hours.

YMMV, but I would like to see this discussed and documented by others. :)

I've had the same experience as JDiver on DEN-DFW-MIA <RON> MIA-MHH. The RON is also +12 hours and I've never been able to check through (6 trips).

JGR01 Dec 10, 06 5:21 pm

JDiver .. its just you and your dive gear they don't like!

The last time I did several RONs was years ago .. ORD-SFO-HKG-BKK with an overnight in SFO and HKG. Bags were checked all the way thru ORD-BKK and they arrived with me several days later. Tho again AA>CX may have made the difference.

On a side not .. all kidding aside. Since we cannot 'lock' our bags (ok ok the TSA locks are probably not really THAT safe from a would-be thief) .. do you REALLLLLY want your bags sitting overnight in the AA Baggage area of [insert airport] where they probably would not be too well guarded?

I think I would WANT to check only to the RON location (with or without BPs issue) and feel secure about my luggage.

JDiver Dec 10, 06 5:59 pm

JGR, I suspect you're right. :sigh" :added victim entitlement: ROFL! :D

I've had much more liberal terms from CX, for example - they have allowed bags to remain checked while we RON in HKG, etc. But DFW, not.

I don't mind leaving my bags in AA custody in some locations, but would not do so at MIA or SJU in the US, and in a number of locations abroad. Mind you, I break my regulators down and carry them plus my dive computers in my carry-on. I may be naive, but I'm not stupid. ;)

The places I have had stuff pilfered - once in MIA on checking the bag from a TSA worker (the employee searched my bag and apparently was pretty good at sleight of hand even while pax watched, and my bag was secured after the inspection - my knife was missing when I opened it at my destination, though the bag was still secured,) and once in UIO where they managed to get into the bag and churn everything up - but apparently found nothing of value they wanted.

Last time through UIO and GYE I used old duffle bags for the clothing, wetsuit, etc. and they passed "inspection" wihtout problems.

jdburns11 Dec 10, 06 6:26 pm

I tried to check all the way through from SJU-LAX (arrived 4:30PM) with a LAX-BOI on Alaska the following morning (~8AM).... AA would not let me check all the way through, despite the fact it was ticketed in exactly that manner.

I wish they would have because our family had to drag about 6-7 bags to the hotel and back again early in the morning!

Notwithstanding the fact there may have been a late AS flight from SJU-BOI (we still had a drive from BOI and wanted to break up the trip!).... I think the inter-airline transfer and the time involved were problems.

Sincerely, - jdburns11

jrhone Dec 11, 06 12:35 am


Originally Posted by sechs (Post 6825240)
So, the second flight out on day 2 is good? Maybe I'm missing something.

Sorry, I didnt explain that very well did I ?

You cant through check even if it is the last flight in first flight out.

jrhone Dec 11, 06 12:41 am

AAaLot

Yes its true . sorry !

Maybe if enough EP/P/G flyers asked they could set something up, an Admirals club for bags or something !

I think there is a TSA regulation that the airlines must comply with on this issue as well, I will try and find out.

sechs Dec 11, 06 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by jrhone (Post 6827019)
Sorry, I didnt explain that very well did I ?

You cant through check even if it is the last flight in first flight out.

So can't ever check your bags through?

jrhone Dec 12, 06 11:08 am

I spoke with a former ASI (Aviation Security Inspector) with the TSA yesterday and this is how it was explained to me.

The TSA got rid of all baggage storeage facilities in non sterile areas at US airports. The TSA decided that they simply do not want any quantity of passenger bags sitting around any longer than neccessary. The lockers posed a security risk and a high potential for harm for terrorists or others to be able to exploit.

Some of the reasons given were :

Most bag rooms are common access areas , there are often cleaners, screeners, other airline employees, contractors etc walking through these areas at all hours of day, and the chance for someone to slip something inside one of these bags was considered too high of a risk. Not all airport employees are subject to the same scrutiny that airline and TSA employees have to comply with.

Even outside the sterile area (baggage claim for example) the airline employees are not supposed to leave any bags unattended, unclaimed bags that are left on the carousel and held by the airline until claimed are locked overnight in cages ( or at least at our airport they are).

My next question then was 'well if they can be locked up overnight in a non sterile area, why cant we have a lock up in our bag room inside the sterile area for our overnighting passengers " ?

The answer is that the bags are out of visual sight and control by airline employees for extended lengths of time. The control of keys and access to those locked areas cannot be guaranteed.


Originally Posted by jrhone (Post 6827035)
AAaLot

Yes its true . sorry !

Maybe if enough EP/P/G flyers asked they could set something up, an Admirals club for bags or something !

I think there is a TSA regulation that the airlines must comply with on this issue as well, I will try and find out.


steve32 Dec 12, 06 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 6825657)
Last time through UIO and GYE I used old duffle bags for the clothing, wetsuit, etc. and they passed "inspection" wihtout problems.

I have those TSA/indicator locks on my bags, and when I got my bag from baggage claim once, one of the three locks indicated it had been opened. It was the pocket I was using for my dirty laundry, so apparantly the TSA guy decided to not explore "the mysteries of my luggage" any further. :p

TomBizzell Dec 12, 06 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by AAaLot (Post 6823281)
Is this true?

I find this hard to believe.

This summer I travelled to Turks & Caicos. The flight from DFW to MIA was delayed for about 4 hours. We missed our connection which was the last flight to Turks. Our flight into MIA arrived about 8:45 or so. The same time the flight to Turks was scheduled to land.

Our luggage was checked to go all the way to TURKS and was held at MIA. We got rebooked in MIA for the first flight out to Turks (Provenciales) at around 11:00 AM the next day. Our bagage found its way on to that flight.

We were not allowed access to our bags. They were held as they were pulled off the plane instead of being sent to baggage claim. This was before any flight rescheduling had taken place.

AAaLot Apr 18, 07 7:03 am

Some feedback.

I recently flew BZE-DFW [overnight] - ORD ... I WAS able to check the bags through ... got all the boarding passes [12 hour connection]. Everyone else in my party with separate record locators had the same experience.

I recently flew MIA-ORD [overnight] - TVC ... I was NOT able to check the bags through ['because the connection was more than 4 hours']

So it seems to be automatic, but inconsistent.

oldpenny16 Apr 18, 07 7:17 am

It is inconsistent. Very! Now and then I have to overnight at my home airport, DFW, due to screwy flight arrangements. Now and then on a situation when I have been able to check my bag through to my ultimate destination, I've had the relieve of not having to collect it and check it again the next morning at DFW.

This absolutely cannot be counted on. When I am really tired and truly wish to check my bag all the way through, then I can't do so!

Due to my drive time to and from DFW, I have the situation where I have to stay at an airport hotel in my own home area.

The Grand Hyatt is very nice and has a great park, stay and fly program where you can get 7 days of paid parking. So does the old Hyatt at DFW.

If I stay at an airport hotel, my dinner and breakfast are paid for. If I make the long drive home, they are not.

rtwdone4 Jul 17, 07 3:01 pm

Checking baggage through on overnight layovers / transits
 
I am planning to take SFO-DFW and then overnight in DFW and will depart the next day to MIA. I just find out it will be more than 24 hours in DFW so I guess I can't tag my bags all the way to MIA.

Just wondering can I actually check in my bags the day before I depart at DFW so I don't have to carry all the bags with me.

HNL Jul 17, 07 3:22 pm

You will have to collect your bags.

stratofortress Jul 17, 07 7:33 pm

Shouldn't be a problem. Last Friday/Saturday I flew AUS-DFW-IAH Overnighted in IAH, then IAH-MIA-SXM. No problem checking my bags the whole way. Didn't have to collect them.

JGR01 Jul 17, 07 7:49 pm

A Connection is generally considered anything less than 23 hours 59 minutes.

A StopOver is generally considered anything in excess of 24 hours from the time your plane lands in DFW to the time your next flight takes off from DFW.

Technically, it may further depend on how the ticket is 'written' and unfortunately with Etickets this becomes harder to do.

On a ticket (the old hand-written days or getting a copy of the ticket at the airport) there is a list of flights.

O SFO - DFW AA1234
X DFW - MIA AA9876

The O = Origination
The X = Connection

If the ticket is written

O SFO - DFW AA1234
O DFW - MIA AA4567 then this is a flight, a stopover and another flight. Technically you should not be allowed to check luggage 'thru' all the way SFO-MIA

If it is written as

O SFO - DFW AA1234
X DFW - MIA AA4567 then this is a connection and thru luggage should be allowed.

I would call AA and ask them if the ticket is a connection or stopover and if a stopover CAN you check luggage all the way thru. Since we already have one vote NO and one vote YES, AA would be the final source.

My read is that >24hours if written as a stopover you would not be allowed to check luggage thru. Technically.. tho the AAgent may allow it which voids everyones logic!

I have done ..

O ORD-SFO
X SFO-HKG
X HKG-BKK

Where SFO and HKG included an overnight stay in a hotel .. but it was not > 24 hours between flights.

rtwdone4 Jul 18, 07 4:26 pm

thnaks. However I think > 24 hours means stopover.

Hoboken1K Jul 18, 07 6:17 pm

Watch out for AA's 10-hour rule
 
I have encountered twice in the past year on overnight connections whereby they would not keep my bags. Trip 1: HNL-LAX/overnight/LAX-DFW-LGW; Trip 2: PHX-ORD/overnight/ORD-LHR on the daytime flight.

In both situations, the original check-in agent advised me the computer would not give bag tags 'all the way through'. Upon further investigation each time, they came back with an AA policy that for connections over 10 hours, bags can't be checked straight through. In both cases it suited me fine to take my bags to my hotel, though I got the impression there is a manual work-around if the pax insists.

cdbrickell Jul 19, 07 9:46 am

I've flown MIA-LAX-SJC serveral times, arriving in LAX at 10pm'ish, spending the night in a hotel next to LAX and catching a 6am AE to SJC. In MIA I have my bag checked through all the way to SJC.. they wonít check it to just LAX for me.

The first time I did this, I went by the baggage carousel for my flight in LAX, just to make sure it didn't get left there; what I found kind of surprised me. A baggage person brought my bag into the area near the carousel for my flight and added it to a group of bags that were already there, cordoned off by one of those queue keepers, but not being watched by anyone or in an area off limits. Looking at the other tags, some were headed for Pacific connections on other airlines. I went over to the AA baggage office and asked them what the deal was and they said my bag would be collected at some point and would be put through to my connecting flight in the morning. Rescreened as well Iím sure.

Lo and behold, my bag was on the carousel in SJC the next morning. And has been the other three times I've done this. Also, one time it was colder in LA than I expected, so I was able to go down and get a jacket out of my checked bag.

Of course, this may just be at LAX and may not apply to any other airports. And some may find it disconcerting that their luggage is sitting unprotected in LAX T4 baggage claim for a while during transit.

rtwdone4 Jul 19, 07 10:14 am


Originally Posted by cdbrickell (Post 8084057)
I've flown MIA-LAX-SJC serveral times, arriving in LAX at 10pm'ish, spending the night in a hotel next to LAX and catching a 6am AE to SJC. In MIA I have my bag checked through all the way to SJC.. they wonít check it to just LAX for me.

The first time I did this, I went by the baggage carousel for my flight in LAX, just to make sure it didn't get left there; what I found kind of surprised me. A baggage person brought my bag into the area near the carousel for my flight and added it to a group of bags that were already there, cordoned off by one of those queue keepers, but not being watched by anyone or in an area off limits. Looking at the other tags, some were headed for Pacific connections on other airlines. I went over to the AA baggage office and asked them what the deal was and they said my bag would be collected at some point and would be put through to my connecting flight in the morning. Rescreened as well Iím sure.

Lo and behold, my bag was on the carousel in SJC the next morning. And has been the other three times I've done this. Also, one time it was colder in LA than I expected, so I was able to go down and get a jacket out of my checked bag.

Of course, this may just be at LAX and may not apply to any other airports. And some may find it disconcerting that their luggage is sitting unprotected in LAX T4 baggage claim for a while during transit.


That is actually really disturbing whereby the bags can just be left there. I think it is better to collect ur bags in these cases (sorry for the pun:D)

JDiver Jul 19, 07 10:42 am

I sometimes do SMF-DFW-CZM on a LIFO (Last In First Out) ticket, and can't (and would not use in any case) thru check-in. Then again, I would not exactly trust AA would do the right thing with my life support equipment (expensive dive gear) in the bag, so am more or less happy to schlep it to the hotel I use for the layover.

flymeAAway Jul 19, 07 11:03 am

Just currious, and I think I know the answer, can you check DFW-LGA-JFK-BDU? In essence, will AA transfer checked bags from LGA-JFK?

ricktoronto Jul 19, 07 11:53 am


Originally Posted by JGR01 (Post 8074810)

On a ticket (the old hand-written days or getting a copy of the ticket at the airport) there is a list of flights.

O SFO - DFW AA1234
X DFW - MIA AA9876

The O = Origination
The X = Connection


I have a compelling desire to play tic tac toe now for some reason.

simongr Jul 19, 07 1:16 pm


Originally Posted by rtwdone4 (Post 8079956)
thnaks. However I think > 24 hours means stopover.

On the xONEx rules I think <24 hours is transit - anything else is stopover - a very minor distinction but I know of one person caught out by have a flight that left exactly 24 hours after arrival.

mangoMan Jul 19, 07 1:59 pm

Not really the same situation as the OP, but...
 
I just flew MUC-MAD-JFK on IB, overnighted at JFK and continued on JFK-SFO on AA the next morning. Upon checkin, IB tagged them all the way thru to SFO. However, at JFK, after customs, they would not lot me recheck the bags for the next morning citing security rules, and we had to lug them to the hotel.

JGR01 Jul 19, 07 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by flymeAAway (Post 8084558)
Just currious, and I think I know the answer, can you check DFW-LGA-JFK-BDU? In essence, will AA transfer checked bags from LGA-JFK?

That is a DEFINATE no!

LGA-JFK or LHR-LGW or LGA-EWR or DFW-DAL or ... does not allow for automated transfers.

You gotta collect the bag and schlepp it to the new airport where you gotta stand in the checkin line and wait again (or use curb-side or kiosk).

rtwdone4 Jul 19, 07 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by simongr (Post 8085458)
On the xONEx rules I think <24 hours is transit - anything else is stopover - a very minor distinction but I know of one person caught out by have a flight that left exactly 24 hours after arrival.

Fare Rules and Baggage policy are 2 seperate things.

Spounce Jan 9, 08 11:34 pm

Overnight connection--must I claim baggage?
 
Book an itin on AA.com that contains an overnight connection in MIA. Will AA check baggage to my destination or will I need to pick it up at MIA? Can't find the info on AA.com.

emcat Jan 9, 08 11:39 pm

I almost never check bags, but if memory serves me well, your bags will be checked all the way to your destination by default. You should be able to ask the TA to check your bags only to MIA if you need to retrieve stuff for your overnight.

JDiver Jan 10, 08 12:14 am

On my domestic LIFO connections (Last In First Out) at DFW, ORD, MIA etc. (when I am traveling with my dive gear) I have been required to retrieve my bags on arrival at my RON / overnight destination and and recheck them the following day.

Andriyko Jan 10, 08 2:25 am

We recently had an overnight connection in LAX and our luggage was checked-in through to our final destination. However, we did ask the agent to undo it as we needed the bags in LA.

Hoboken1K Jan 10, 08 4:51 am

I have run into a '10-hour rule'
 
Had this scenario out of HNL overnighting in LAX before continuing my journey the next day. I wanted AA to keep the luggage overnight, but the check-in agent advised that for connections over 10-hours, the computer won't issue the connecting bag tags. Sounded like a computer limitation as well as policy.


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