More Miami / MIA- Sao Paulo GRU flights
Dec 20, 2006, 6:10 am
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Dec 20, 2006, 2:23 pm
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No. American Airlines could fly to Recife or Belo Horizonte tomorrow, if they wanted to, but it would have to be with a stop in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo. AA has very few limits on adding a tag-on flight from Brazil. They have limited on adding non-stop flights from Miami.
Dec 20, 2006, 4:57 pm
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No. American Airlines could fly to Recife or Belo Horizonte tomorrow, if they wanted to, but it would have to be with a stop in Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo. AA has very few limits on adding a tag-on flight from Brazil. They have limited on adding non-stop flights from Miami.
Dec 21, 2006, 12:16 am
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You will see AA back at Belo Horizonte, but not until Brazil loosens up on their air treaty with the US. There was hope it would happen this year, but Varig's situation actually dampeded the hope.
Dec 21, 2006, 1:21 pm
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The "talk of the town" in Belo is that AA will be doing a re-evaluation of the route in Q1 2007. We'll have to wait and see...
Dec 21, 2006, 1:34 pm
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The market exists, and I think AA knows that. The problem remains the Brazilian government won't give AA additional frequencies to fly more Brazil-USA flights. So AA can evaluate dozens of markets and still can't fly there, because Brazil won't approve it.
Dec 21, 2006, 6:22 pm
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Good news...I spoke too soon. ANAC has delayed AA's Miami-Recife application, not denied, so there is still a shot that American Airlines will be flying to Recife this June.
Dec 21, 2006, 9:42 pm
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Where is all this info coming from?!?
There are many people in this thread speaking with a certain air of authority without actually listing their news/data sources. 
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
Dec 21, 2006, 9:55 pm
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If you looked through previous posts, you would find that MAH4546 is very reliable.
There are many people in this thread speaking with a certain air of authority without actually listing their news/data sources. As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
Dec 21, 2006, 11:37 pm
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There are many people in this thread speaking with a certain air of authority without actually listing their news/data sources. As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop.
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop.
Dec 22, 2006, 2:54 am
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There are many people in this thread speaking with a certain air of authority without actually listing their news/data sources. As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
Dec 22, 2006, 3:22 am
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Please keep your wisdom coming MAH4546. We are many AA FF that value your input, and as was mentioned earlier you are mostly right on the money in your "predictions".
It is also correct (as mentioned by timfucius) that the talk of Belo Horizonte is the return of AA service via GRU sometime in 2007, so let's cross our fingers!
It is also correct (as mentioned by timfucius) that the talk of Belo Horizonte is the return of AA service via GRU sometime in 2007, so let's cross our fingers!
Dec 22, 2006, 4:45 am
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Please keep your wisdom coming MAH4546. We are many AA FF that value your input, and as was mentioned earlier you are mostly right on the money in your "predictions".
It is also correct (as mentioned by timfucius) that the talk of Belo Horizonte is the return of AA service via GRU sometime in 2007, so let's cross our fingers!
It is also correct (as mentioned by timfucius) that the talk of Belo Horizonte is the return of AA service via GRU sometime in 2007, so let's cross our fingers!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed too (for a while now) for this to happen.
Let's also remember that PAX aren't AA's only source of revenue. There are tons of cargo going from the state of Minas Gerais (capital is Belo Horizonte) by truck to GRU since AA dropped the flight. We used to ship quite a volume with AA when they were in Belo as I could always guarantee pallet spaces first.
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Dec 24, 2006, 5:27 pm
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*Embarrassingly* ridiculous
There are many people in this thread speaking with a certain air of authority without actually listing their news/data sources. As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.
I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
As such, I would take most of these "claims" with a grain of salt.I'm not sure when Belo Horizonte and Recife became major players in the US/Brazil market, but the last I checked they weren't. Belo Horizonte...perhaps, as it is a secondary business center. But Recife??? I BEG TO DIFFER. It may even be possible that AA is considering it, but I would bet against them actually doing it when they're through with their market research and if they do go forward (hey, AA has done stupid things before), I would put money against it succeeding.
If we want to just name Brazilian cities to prove that we have atlases, cool, but if we're talking about money-making destinations for AA, then GRU, GIG...ummm...that's where I would stop. That's just my opinion and until one of you shows me where you are getting your contradictory data, then I'm sticking to my opinion.
PS: I would rank Recife even lower than SSA (Salvador, Bahia) on the list of potentials -- and even SSA I would consider a bad idea for AA... In case you're wondering why SSA...it is the gateway to most leisure travel of those "in the know" (i.e., the good Northeastern beaches frequented by locals and savvy tourists) -- the rest go to GIG anyway -- AND a big portion of Brazilians in the US are from Bahia. (...and this fact I got from the Brazilian consul in New York...an actual reference...hooray for me!)
But by all means, continue the attack on such a proven, valuable FT asset-- par for the course. You'll get rid of all of us eventually-- I'm confident of it.