Changing a baby's diaper in F seat - SXM - MIA 6/10
Jun 16, 2006, 11:53 am
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Jun 16, 2006, 11:59 am
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I saw this in coach once ... actually, I smelled it before I saw it, but it got me thinking. I understand the lav is hard to deal with, but seriously folks, the rest of us DO NOT need to see that.
I plan on having kids one day and I know everybody says I'll think differently then. Yes, it's hard and frustrating to have to get up and change your kid. But it's totally inappropriate not to. I don't care where you put your kid -- pay for them to fly in first class for all I care -- but changing them in public is NOT OK.
Query whether the airlines should do something to make at least one lav on the plane "baby" friendly (and for that matter, handicap accessibility might be a good add-on to). I know it takes space and space means money because there are fewer seats, but with more and more kids flying these days, it might be worthwhile. Maybe require ALL KIDS to have seats to offset the cost
(which the FAA should require anyway, given the safety issues, but that's somewhat OT).
I'm not sure whether I personally would breastfeed in public, but I think as long as it is done in a discreet manner, I have no problem with others doing it.
I plan on having kids one day and I know everybody says I'll think differently then. Yes, it's hard and frustrating to have to get up and change your kid. But it's totally inappropriate not to. I don't care where you put your kid -- pay for them to fly in first class for all I care -- but changing them in public is NOT OK.
Query whether the airlines should do something to make at least one lav on the plane "baby" friendly (and for that matter, handicap accessibility might be a good add-on to). I know it takes space and space means money because there are fewer seats, but with more and more kids flying these days, it might be worthwhile. Maybe require ALL KIDS to have seats to offset the cost
(which the FAA should require anyway, given the safety issues, but that's somewhat OT).I'm not sure whether I personally would breastfeed in public, but I think as long as it is done in a discreet manner, I have no problem with others doing it.
Jun 16, 2006, 12:18 pm
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Whether is poop or pee, it's disgusting and unsanitary. Babies are cute, we all know that; however, that does not mean that their bodily excretions are clean and safe. Come on, people. We use the seat tray for a variety of reasons, including meals and we don't need more ways to get sick.
Secondly, the fact that it's discreet does not make it okay. If a guy can pee in a bottle discreetly, does that make it okay? Absolutely not! Parents need to be more aware of the safety and comfort of others - having a child should not mean that the rest of us have to suffer.
If your claim is the airline bathrooms are too small, here's an idea - don't fly with your child. Coach or First, we should not have to deal with that crap.
And to the original poster, I'll contact the airline. You paid for your fare and you should expect a comfortable experience. The airlines have done their part in making travel uncomfortable, we don't need help from idiotic passengers.
Secondly, the fact that it's discreet does not make it okay. If a guy can pee in a bottle discreetly, does that make it okay? Absolutely not! Parents need to be more aware of the safety and comfort of others - having a child should not mean that the rest of us have to suffer.
If your claim is the airline bathrooms are too small, here's an idea - don't fly with your child. Coach or First, we should not have to deal with that crap.
And to the original poster, I'll contact the airline. You paid for your fare and you should expect a comfortable experience. The airlines have done their part in making travel uncomfortable, we don't need help from idiotic passengers.
Jun 16, 2006, 12:22 pm
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Originally Posted by JDiver
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Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
Doublespeak. So, the "precautions" protect other pax from the baby's diaper, but they're not good enough to protect the baby from a potentially dirty lav floor? Just lay down a mat. Changing in the cabin is disgusting and inappropriate. Period. :tWd:
Originally Posted by kersie
Query whether the airlines should do something to make at least one lav on the plane "baby" friendly (and for that matter, handicap accessibility might be a good add-on to).
edited to add:
By the way, my personal experience has always (so far) been with pee only. I would be uncomfortable personally changing a smelly one in the seat....but I won't go so far as to say that I wouldn't do it if necessary.
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Jun 16, 2006, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by JS
On that note, the last time I was in Manhattan, I ate at a pizza place in downtown (I think it was on Broadway, near the WTC). The restroom was more than two square feet, but it was *the* most disgusting restroom I have ever been in, and I've been in some dirty restrooms before (poorly managed convenience stores in hick towns, porta-potties on the road, etc.) At this Manhattan restaurant, you would have to not only change a diaper on the table, but empty the contents all over the table and the floor in order to have any negative effect on the restaurant's overall health. ...
Jun 16, 2006, 1:25 pm
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As an EXP and the father of a two and a half year old and a five month old... the seat is NO PLACE to do that. When you fly as a parent, it is your responsibility to take care of your children and be considerate of your surroundings. If it's crowded - tough. Bring a changing pad and place it over the sink area or floor, but do it in the lavatory. Plain and simple. That's what we have done on all of our flights.
Jun 16, 2006, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by stewlevine
As an EXP and the father of a two and a half year old and a five month old... the seat is NO PLACE to do that. When you fly as a parent, it is your responsibility to take care of your children and be considerate of your surroundings. If it's crowded - tough. Bring a changing pad and place it over the sink area or floor, but do it in the lavatory. Plain and simple. That's what we have done on all of our flights.
Jun 16, 2006, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Kibison
I would have called the FA. It is bad enough to ruin everyone's flight with a screamer in F. Changing diapers in F is crossing the line.
Jun 16, 2006, 2:42 pm
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As a parent, I would have said something to the person changing a diaper in the cabin. When the planes do not have a changing table, we always manage. It's tricky to use the ledge by the sink or the lid on the toilet but it is not by any means impossible. One can also sit on the lid of the toilet in the loo and change your child while they are laying across your legs. Those mats that come with diaper bags are invaluable!!
Slightly OT, but people with noxious gas are just as much guilty of bad manners, IMO. The gentleman seated in front of me on this morning needs to change his diet or see a Physician. Everyone was holding their noses when he would let one fly. Thankfully, I had a magazine that was chock-full of cologne ads so I held them up to the air nozzle for some relief.
Slightly OT, but people with noxious gas are just as much guilty of bad manners, IMO. The gentleman seated in front of me on this morning needs to change his diet or see a Physician. Everyone was holding their noses when he would let one fly. Thankfully, I had a magazine that was chock-full of cologne ads so I held them up to the air nozzle for some relief.
Jun 16, 2006, 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by stewlevine
As an EXP and the father of a two and a half year old and a five month old... the seat is NO PLACE to do that. When you fly as a parent, it is your responsibility to take care of your children and be considerate of your surroundings. If it's crowded - tough. Bring a changing pad and place it over the sink area or floor, but do it in the lavatory. Plain and simple. That's what we have done on all of our flights.
^ ^
Exactly.
Jun 16, 2006, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by janhigginskcmo
I always carried a white waterproof plastic mat that could be layed down anywhere that was questionable to change my babies on. It could be cleaned with soap and water and dried off anywhere. So, I would never change them in public where other people were around. A nursing mom should be descrete in public by placing a baby blanket over her shoulder and covering up the baby while feeding.
Sounds reasonable to me. ^
Jun 16, 2006, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by MCI777
Sounds reasonable to me. ^
Jun 16, 2006, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by badjuju
We use the seat tray for a variety of reasons, including meals and we don't need more ways to get sick.
If your claim is the airline bathrooms are too small, here's an idea - don't fly with your child. Coach or First, we should not have to deal with that crap.
If your claim is the airline bathrooms are too small, here's an idea - don't fly with your child. Coach or First, we should not have to deal with that crap.
As for my "claim" that the bathroom is too small it's true for me personally - with or without kids. I am blessed and cursed - depending on situation - with a 6'6 frame. I'll just make sure my kids fly with mom instead of me from now on. Thanks for the suggestion.
Jun 16, 2006, 5:31 pm
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Anyone notice the advertisements at the bottom of each page of this thread?
'all the diaper cloth'
'baby changing table pad'
'adult diapers'
Classic!
'all the diaper cloth'
'baby changing table pad'
'adult diapers'
Classic!
Jun 16, 2006, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by JS
In a restaurant with a two square foot restroom, if any such thing exists, yes... 
Originally Posted by JS
You simply don't like it, which is OK, but since it's not your baby, you don't get any say in the matter.